tested ebay

[cato]

anyone watching this one


http://www.ebay.com/itm/151218075804?ss ... 1423.l2649

[rexstubbins]

I am now.

Strange. I can't seem to find one listed for this time period with this frame pattern in my reference books. Anyone know what frame pattern this is?

[olderdogs1]

Looks like a 6111 1/2 if it has the clip blade. I think the handles are green bone. I have one of these in the tested era so they do exist. I can't tell a lot from his pictures.

Tom

[knife7knut]

Looks like a LOT of people are watching this one.

[rexstubbins]

Looks like a 6111 1/2 if it has the clip blade. I think the handles are green bone. I have one of these in the tested era so they do exist. I can't tell a lot from his pictures.

Tom

Yep. I missed the hump in the pictures. At first I thought it had a plowman frame. Pretty nice knife. Pretty sure this is going to be priced out of my comfort zone.

[zp4ja]

Hard to tell from the pics but it looks like the real deal to me, CASE TESTED 6111-1/2L Long Pull Flat blade with the bomb shield.

I have about 30 of the CASE 11-1/2L in diferent eras and years from XX to 1981. I have yet to aquire a TESTED 11-1/2L. I predict that knife will go for between 800 and 1200 bucks. I would chase it to 1000 bucks but I would want the knife in hand to inspect before I drop that kind of cash. I don't give a rats ass if 14 day money back or not.The shield stamp is abit off but that did happen.

The biggest killer for me based on the pics (besides the knife knife in hand before I buy thing I mentioned ) is that the swing guard looks to have up and down play which means the blade may also have up/down play. Not talking side wooble although that is a possibilty. "One man's tight is another man's loose"
I currently have two 11-1/2L out for repair that have loose swing guards, up/down and side play. For me it is extremely irritating. One was described by a well known dealer as "perfect, no play" but I kept it since rare factory error with sweet strawberry bone so I am having it repaired. I am sure Muskrat Man will fix them up like new!

Nice scarce knife, personally just don't like this example. Just me as I am extremely picky about my CASE 11-1/2L knives. Although I have to say, you don't see them often at all, so a rare opportunity.

Jerry

[MrBlister]

What technique of fraud causes
the tang stamp to be OFF the tang at the top??

regards Puma pants .. . HET !!!!!!!

[zp4ja]

What technique of fraud causes
the tang stamp to be OFF the tang at the top??

regards Puma pants .. . HET !!!!!!!

Dave,
With all due respect, this type of stamping did occur. I am not saying the stamp is not an issue as the pics are terrible and the would be the last part of the knife I would read if I had an in hand look. What are your thoughts on the rest of your knife read? How about just the blade deisregarding the stamp for in the read for now. Blade, long pull, nick location, swedge, etc all look good?

Please allow me to direct you to a post concerning less than perfect stamps as it relates to authenticity, in case you did not see it. Lots of members wieghed in on this.

http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kni ... on+perfect

I looked at the CASE XX Hunter you posted on the following link this morning. The stamp looks to have vertical striations thru the stamp. Could be reflections but does not appear so. Bottom line is the rest of the knife reads well. No doubt authentic in my opinion based on ENTIRE KNIFE READ.

http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kni ... =4&t=40163

I would be interested to hear the rest of the details on the OP knife read excluding the stamp. BTW, nice stamp on the TESTED 6185 but looks like the handle has been re-pinned.

Regards, Jerry

[MrBlister]

Again my statement.. Shame they buffed all the value off that one.
I suppose "his friend" is Rogers54 .. .
These buff jobs always make ask my self...
"what kinda rusted up busted up RAG was this thang
before it went to the wheel. . . We'll (of course) never know.
As compared to what we call an HOK (Honest Ole Knife)
On an HOK we can SEE its cpndition after the years and use.
And we can see the story the knife has to tell.
Ive no idea as to whether that stamp was struck
so pitifully at CASE or what hapned.. I wasn't there, but clearly'
some members were there..
Another concern I would mention is not only the
sheild being struck off center, but its NOT countersunk
into the scale.. Looks as if its merely setting ATOP the bone..
Thats real skeerie to me.. Please dont make the blanket-assumptive
statement that some DID leave Bradford like this..
Ive had a few (only a few) cheetahs and invariably
the poor quality of the swing gaurd turned me off.
For that embarassing cheapness to CASE, I simply gave
up on cheetahs.. Wouldnt own one..

There's NO striations in my 65 stamp, so it must be a reflection
of some kind.. atleast its not runnin OFF the tnag .. I'll attatch a pic to this reply for further
attack such as tie doesn't match jacket,, poor stance,, mussed up hair,
irregular buzz cut, unclean chopping block, and more..

kindest regards

[singin46]

I too would be very concerned about the stamping being that off. Just beware!

[singin46]

The buffing has been extreme so who knows what else was done Jerry. Not trying to stir up anything but I would hate to see you or any of our members get taken on a knife purchase. Just my 2 cents in form of a gentle warning.

[zp4ja]

Again my statement.. Shame they buffed all the value off that one.
I suppose "his friend" is Rogers54 .. .

There you go. Your quote above to me clearly implies that your opinion is the knife is real but cleaned! What value would a fake have, buffed or not? May I further qoute your initial statements? BTW, I have only spoke to Rodgers54 a few times but a nice man. Helped me with some questions and I was not even buying a knife.

What technique of fraud causes
the tang stamp to be OFF the tang at the top??

regards Puma pants .. . HET !!!!!!!

So which is it? A non HOK that is authentic since it has been buffed heavily or a fake as you elluded to with the "fraud" comment? Is it just me or do your two qoutes above seem like back-pedalling or conflicting?

Ive no idea as to whether that stamp was struck so pitifully at CASE or what hapned.. I wasn't there, but clearly'
some members were there..

"But clearly some members were there"??? What members are we referring to? Lets see, anyone a forum member or not, lets say 14 years old would be roughly 74 to 94 years old now and been at the factory or bought one new way back when, assuming made thru the entire TESTED era. Hopefully an member or non member you are referring to will chime in on this thread.

Please dont make the blanket-assumptive
statement that some DID leave Bradford like this..

No, we were not there either. However, your statement is contradictory. Your comment is in fact a "blanket-assumptive statement". You are saying none left the factory like that but do you really know that for sure. I have a few bomb shield TESTED knives where the shield sits like that. I thought it was off to begin with but then I thought, would be pretty damn difficult to inlay a shield like that. I have seen other examples with the bomb shield the same way. I agree it does look sketchy until you have handled, owned or see a few.

Ive had a few (only a few) cheetahs and invariably
the poor quality of the swing gaurd turned me off.
For that embarassing cheapness to CASE, I simply gave
up on cheetahs.. Wouldnt own one...

When you buy older well used knives of any pattern, this should be expected. You even posted one awhile back with a missing swing guard. A whole lot of the production of the CASE 11-1/2L required alot of hand work as compared to other patterns. I believe I read that was part of the reason CASE discontinued the knife in 1981', too labor intensive, until reborn in the late 90s'. Not sure about the embarrassing cheapness as I have heard you mention on several post that CASE had nothing but quality and "honest" craftsman even into the 70s'. The quality on all mine are excellent. BTW, the only true Cheetahs in the 70s' were only in the 70 to 71' timeframe although alot of collectors call them that.

I'll attatch a pic to this reply for further
attack such as tie doesn't match jacket,, poor stance,, mussed up hair,
irregular buzz cut, unclean chopping block, and more...

Great read on the pic you provided of the Stooges. Very detailed. You read alot about the picture, that is a good start. The same goes for knives. Still would love to hear what the rest of the blade read only I suggested is.
BTW, do you consider the TESTED 6185 you posted a HOK with the re-pinned handles and the bolster nice and shiny as compared to the patina blade?

Sorry for derailing the thread but I personally don't read a knife by it's stamp. Read the whole knife, then the stamp. This knife may have issues but I believe to be authentic. I could be wrong but that is no excuse for not reading the entire knife. I did say that I personally do not like the example shown and will not go after the knife based on that. Almost willing to bet Tony Foster takes a shot at this knife.

Jerry

[zp4ja]

The buffing has been extreme so who knows what else was done Jerry. Not trying to stir up anything but I would hate to see you or any of our members get taken on a knife purchase. Just my 2 cents in form of a gentle warning.

Thanks Perry,

I appreciate your concern but I thought I made it fairly clear that I was not chasing this knife in my original post. You are not stirring up anything. The loose swing guards alone is enough for me to steer clear, does not mean fake , just irritatates me, although I read the entire knife. I am not defending the knife since I am not interested but just have grown weary of "stamp reading" to solely determine authenticity of a knife with out considering the whole knife read. Looking forward to seeing how the auction and post pans out.

Everyone does it different so I guess this is my problem if I let it be!

I hope life is well. Regards, Jerry

[singin46]

I understand Jerry, I was mainly posting my comments in hopes that others would read it, if they were hoping to win this knife. I have been burned a few times from not reading a knife properly. I'm certainly no expert when it comes to these Case Cheetahs but just wanted others to know my general concerns as well. It might be the real McCoy, I don't know but like you said, one must read the knife as well as you can, being that it's an online auction.

[cato]

NOW FOR THE CONTENDER AS HE MAKES HIS WAY TO THE RING WITHOUT ANY GUARDS
HE FIRST WEIGHED IN AT A WHOPPING 750 BIN BUT THAT WAS QUICKLY DROPPED
LOOKS TO HAVE A CAULIFLOWER TANG STAMP BUT THIS WILL BE A CLOSE MATCH
THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE HOK VERSES BUFF

THIS SHOULD BE A GOOD ONE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

LETS GET READY TO RRRUUMMMBBBBLLLEEE

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-OLD-VER ... 3f2fc3e923

[zp4ja]

OP knife sold for $917 this morning.

BTW, take a look at this link and double expand the pics. Do any of the 3 bomb shields look countersunk to anyone? How about the second link to our forum info on CASE shields? That bomb shield look countersunk? Lots of other examples besides these.

http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kni ... 6&start=81

http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/wr_ ... hields.php

Also, my math in one of my previous replies to this post was incorrect. In regards to "but clearly', some members were there" as Mr. Blister stated, a member (I assume a forum member???) at age 14 would be 88 to 108 years old (not 74 to 94 years old) in any given year between 1920 and 1940. Since the bomb shield appears to have been used in early TESTED, hopefully one of our roughly 100 year old to 108 year old members that was there will chime in and solve this mystery.

Regards, Jerry

[MrBlister]

Yep . . . prolly worth that
even being the hacked up, ground down,
glue job that it was..

sorta makes ya wonder what a original HOK wud fetch.

HET !!!!!!!!!!!

[Elvis]

IMHO both knives shown in this thread read as good. One has been cleaned and the other may have had one pin replaced.
Based on 20+ years of knife work and 40 years of collecting, I rest my case.

[knifeaholic]

IMHO both knives shown in this thread read as good. One has been cleaned and the other may have had one pin replaced.
Based on 20+ years of knife work and 40 years of collecting, I rest my case.

Bob; in looking at the original posted 6111/12L from ebay I also think that the knife is basically right, but to me the guard looks incorrect and could be a replacement. What do you think? Having a knife with a missing guard is pretty common on this pattern even on one in nice condition.

[Elvis]

IMHO both knives shown in this thread read as good. One has been cleaned and the other may have had one pin replaced.
Based on 20+ years of knife work and 40 years of collecting, I rest my case.

Bob; in looking at the original posted 6111/12L from ebay I also think that the knife is basically right, but to me the guard looks incorrect and could be a replacement. What do you think? Having a knife with a missing guard is pretty common on this pattern even on one in nice condition.

You are more familiar with model than I am Steve (as is Jerry). Is it a replacement or one that has just been buffed too much? I'll go by your call.

[zp4ja]

IMHO both knives shown in this thread read as good. One has been cleaned and the other may have had one pin replaced.
Based on 20+ years of knife work and 40 years of collecting, I rest my case.

Bob; in looking at the original posted 6111/12L from ebay I also think that the knife is basically right, but to me the guard looks incorrect and could be a replacement. What do you think? Having a knife with a missing guard is pretty common on this pattern even on one in nice condition.

You are more familiar with model than I am Steve (as is Jerry). Is it a replacement or one that has just been buffed too much? I'll go by your call.

Thanks Bob and Steve for your valued input as to authenticity! Hope life find you both well! I too will defer to Steve on this one but I sure would like to know what he sees as a flag to a guard replacement.
The only thing I can read on the swing guard, after fully reading that portion of the knife, is that the swing guard pin head may be slightly small in diameter.
I did also mention in my first post reply that the swing guard looked from the ebay pics to have slop and play (which I cannot stand) and may also be indicative of blade play or "critical contact point wear" as Muskrat Man explained to me.

Steve, I would like to hear your thoughts on the swing guard replacement for my educational purposes, if you would be so kind.

Regards, Jerry

[knifeaholic]

At first glance I thought the guard was too wide and maybe not quite the correct shape. Hard to say though.

[zp4ja]

At first glance I thought the guard was too wide and maybe not quite the correct shape. Hard to say though.

The guard looks alright from what I can tell from the pictures. Hard call as you said. You are very correct, as always, as alot of these do lose the guards. Correct me if I am wrong but the guard size did remain pretty consistent thru out the years and eras. I looked at all my examples and the older knives may have had a slighly smaller guard but not sure if hafting plays a part in that.

It does look like it has lockup issues and probably a loose floppy guard as I said earlier.

Any newcomers to his thread, please read the entire post for the full read and story. It is a learning experience for sure.

Regards, Jerry