camillus #72

[Shearer]

Received this 72 clone a Hammer USA in the mail today.Thanks to Jerry 6818 who purchased it of Ebay for me.Put it through the sonic cleaner and a bit of oil and cleaning. Managed to get some snap in the blades
Jerry those bone handles are hard to resist on the72

[jerryd6818]

Grant -- Glad to see the Hammer made it okay.

You're right! The darned things are like potato chips.

[carrmillus]

Another one for the pile. Found this bone handled Canillus short-line, paired up with a Utica jack knife and going for cheap. Seller said, "Just a couple of "SHOOTERS"----The Camillus is 3 3/4" --bone --and the Kutmaster --celluloid --is 3 1/2" . Bothe are used --the Camillus has cracks and both knives have lazy blades."

He wasn't just woofin. Four of the five blades (between both knives) were so "lazy" you had to push them closed. A few rounds in the sonic cleaner and some go juice later they all have their snap back. The snap on the Camillus 72 main blade is a little soft but it still snaps and all the others have good snap now. After the sonic cleaner and oil, I put in some time with the lead pencil and some Mothers Mag Cleaner. They're lookin' pretty good now.

.......o.k.,jerry, I know there was a discussion about this recently- I've got 5 bone, short line 72's- all have the pen blade on the same end with the master and the coping blade on the other end.........i'm thinking the ones with the pen on the master end are older-??????.................... ...........

[tjmurphy]

Based on Jerry's research, I'd say that you are correct, Tommy

[jerryd6818]

Solid proof that shiny sells (a determined bidder also helps). Final bid, $96.00

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Camillu ... true&rt=nc

[carrmillus]

....wow!!!!...these are fixin' to be outa' my price range!!!....... ...........

[jerryd6818]

Don't worry Tommy. I picked one up that could be fluffed, buffed & all prissed up by one of our members to look just as nice and I paid less than $20 for it. They're still out there.

[Shearer]

If you see the bidding it's just a case of a bidder who does not like to loose.
As far as shiny goes, they are like insects to a light they cannot help it even if it kills them.
Grant

Solid proof that shiny sells (a determined bidder also helps). Final bid, $96.00

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Camillu ... true&rt=nc

[stockman]

I have been watching this on the 72's, I don't think I have posted
on it before. !st knife is a bone 72 from I think 1946 it is unused
it was purchased from a old gentleman that had it in his hardware
store. 2nd knife was gift from my mother it is a long line knife
saber ground on mark side only. I would like to know the age of it.
I'am thinking 35 or so years old. The last knife I would guess is a
clone as it is a some what older Ulster 63 age unknown to me.
Pictures are sorry.
Thanks Harold

[jerryd6818]

Harold -- That bone handled short line is a real treasure. You are a fortunate man. I think you're correct about it's age. I've come to believe that particular variety was not only the first 72s made but was only around for the first year or two, '46 to maybe '47. If you look in the '48 catalog, they had dropped the pen blade, replacing it with the small clip and moved the coping blade up by the main blade. The configuration you see on the majority of "72s.

Camillus still listed the 72s in the 1965 catalog as having "staged" handles (bone?) but by the time the 1972 catalog came out, they had changed to "Cabone" (Delrin). They also used a couple of different kinds of black synthetic from the '40s, probably into the '60s. The stuff in the '40s and sometime into the '50s was what I call that "shrinky dink" black plastic crap. So two kinds unless some shrank and some didn't. Hard to nail it all down. It's a shame they didn't have someone to act as company historian. I guess Tom Williams and his mother are the closest thing we have.

Your second knife, with the long line tang stamp looks like mid to late '70s or so, judging from the color of the Delrin. That's a guess but I think it may be a pretty good one. The Delrin changed colors several times over the years.

The Ulster 63 is anybodies guess. The first Schrade 863 (same, same Ulster 63) I see is in the 1953 catalog and it says it has bone handles. Since Dupont didn't start producing Delrin until 1959, your knife couldn't be earlier than that. I don't have a clue when Schrade/Ulster started using Delrin for handles. Maybe one of the Schrade guys knows.

[orvet]

The Ulster 63 is anybodies guess. The first Schrade 863 (same, same Ulster 63) I see is in the 1953 catalog and it says it has bone handles. Since Dupont didn't start producing Delrin until 1959, your knife couldn't be earlier than that. I don't have a clue when Schrade/Ulster started using Delrin for handles. Maybe one of the Schrade guys knows.

The first listing I see of the Ulster #63 is in 1960.
http://collectors-of-schrades-r.us/ULST ... 0-160A.htm
Handles are listed as Bonite, which would have been some sort of composition, what exactly I am not sure.
I believe Imperial Schrade Companies started using Delrin in the late 1960s, about 1968-1969, but I have not been able to prove that beyond any reasonable doubt.


Price list- http://collectors-of-schrades-r.us/ULST ... 0-160A.htm
I would like to buy a dozen #63 for $15. I would take 3 dozen at that price!

[Shearer]

stockman.
I have a couple of Ulsters 63.
One has Ulster USA 63 on one side the other which I think is older has Ulster USA and the 63 on the other side.
If they where stamped the same as Schrades the older one would be 1973 or earlier.I have come to that conclusion because the Schrade Walden had the number on the Pile side .But what do I know.
Grant

[stockman]

Thanks so much for the information and your interest in these knives.

Harold

[carrmillus]

Harold -- That bone handled short line is a real treasure. You are a fortunate man. I think you're correct about it's age. I've come to believe that particular variety was not only the first 72s made but was only around for the first year or two, '46 to maybe '47. If you look in the '48 catalog, they had dropped the pen blade, replacing it with the small clip and moved the coping blade up by the main blade. The configuration you see on the majority of "72s.

Camillus still listed the 72s in the 1965 catalog as having "staged" handles (bone?) but by the time the 1972 catalog came out, they had changed to "Cabone" (Delrin). They also used a couple of different kinds of black synthetic from the '40s, probably into the '60s. The stuff in the '40s and sometime into the '50s was what I call that "shrinky dink" black plastic crap. So two kinds unless some shrank and some didn't. Hard to nail it all down. It's a shame they didn't have someone to act as company historian. I guess Tom Williams and his mother are the closest thing we have.

Your second knife, with the long line tang stamp looks like mid to late '70s or so, judging from the color of the Delrin. That's a guess but I think it may be a pretty good one. The Delrin changed colors several times over the years.

The Ulster 63 is anybodies guess. The first Schrade 863 (same, same Ulster 63) I see is in the 1953 catalog and it says it has bone handles. Since Dupont didn't start producing Delrin until 1959, your knife couldn't be earlier than that. I don't have a clue when Schrade/Ulster started using Delrin for handles. Maybe one of the Schrade guys knows.

............stockman, that first one is a real winner!!!!............ ............................

[daddynewton]

For what it is worth. The Pakistan 72s that have been floating around for the last year. The ones with the kissing cranes or some kind of bird on the shield and no tang stamp. I have never seen one with any identification till this one.http://www.ebay.com/itm/White-Tail-Cutl ... 3384b2e3fd White Tail Cutlery explains why there are so many of them out there.

[carrmillus]

....yep!!, that explains it, all right!!.......... ...........

[Shearer]

Received this Craftsman 9494 , 72 clone in the mail today.This knife is made by Schrade.
It only took four days from to arrive in Australia that would be a record for First Class Mail.They must have put this one on a racing pigeon.

[jerryd6818]

Grant -- I've been told mine was made by Ulster (pretty much same-same Schrade). It does look exactly like one of my Ulster 63s.

[Shearer]

Jerry I decided to take a picture of the three together Schrade Walden 863,Craftsman 9494 and Ulster 63.The only difference is the pull on the craftman is a bit longer and the handle color.I think that they where all made before 1973.Who knows what went on in the Schrade Factory

[jerryd6818]

I think the pull is shorter on the Schrade and the pulls on the Craftsman and Ulster are the same.

[Shearer]

Jerry it,s cold here and I have nothing better to do than take photos.So here some more.

[jerryd6818]

I keep forgetting it's the middle of the winter down there. Probably not as cold as it gets here in the winter time (this is probably your equivalent to our February). Timeanddate.com says 60s & 70s F. for daytime highs in your area???? Sound about right?

[Shearer]

In our February it get around 110 F and thats in the shade.Last night it was -1 F and we have a cold breeze from the souths.Your cold breeze would be from the north.
When you live on the bottom of the world every thing is upside down.We are lucky that we don't fall off.

[orvet]

When you live on the bottom of the world every thing is upside down.We are lucky that we don't fall off.

[jerryd6818]

Holy freeze your nuts off Batman. One below, down below. What kind of crazy talk is that? Weather dot com says it's currently 48 deg F in Tomingley with a high today of 63 deg F.