The Camillus Cutlery Company was one of the oldest knife manufacturers in the United States with roots dating back to 1876. The company manufactured Camillus branded knives and was a prolific contractor for other knife brands up until its last days in 2007 when the company filed for bankruptcy.
Shearer wrote:Thanks Jerry and Carrmillus.
It was the one on Ebay a couple of weeks back and the seller was a pleasure to do business with.
I have a 72 scout ( 1047 )I am going to try to re-handle.The biggest trouble is finding the brass rod the right size.I purchased some 2 mm and when I got home it was 1.8mm so it looks like I will have to take some verniers to measure them.
Grant
I have found my calipers to be too inaccurate, I have started using micrometers & remeasured some of my pin stock. I was off by 0.005" on some of them and 0.005" is enough to cause a pin crack in bone.
For pins to hold the handles on I use mainly 1/16" (0.0625" = 1.5875 mm) brass pin stock. Although on smaller knives I can go down to 3/64" (0.0469" = 1.19126 mm), much smaller than that & I can't get them to spin a head on the pin.
Dale.
Thank's for the information.I have found a few suppliers of brass rod in Australia
I am still look to see if I can find suppliers of nickel silver rod.I might have to order from the USA.
Grant
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........shearer, some of the model airplane parts suppliers here in the u. s.(tower hobbies) carry brass rod and tubing!!!!................. .............
I received this Camillus 80 in the mail.It was with a lot of 6 knives I got of Ebay.
When it arrived it looked like it was left in a river for a few years.
I cleaned off some of the bad rust.The blades have reasonable snap after I removed some mud and rubbish.
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Good find, even if it is a little the worse for neglect. The #80 was only made for a few years and they're hard to find. I just love the milled liners. I think it's odd they used that football shield. Makes it look like a Schrade or Ulster (the Camillus shield is a little more pointed on the ends).
Forged on the anvil of discipline.
The Few. The Proud.
Jerry D.
This country has become more about sub-groups than about it's unity as a nation.
"The #72 pattern has got to be pretty close to the perfect knife."
--T.J. Murphy 2012
Jerry, the handles on the "Old Ram" knife you pictured sure resemble the handles on some current BSA knives that are made in China. OH
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I did a search on eBay for "Old Ram" and found eight auctions, six for that tang stamp. Four sellers of which one lists the knives as "Made in Pakistan".
Shown below. http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLD-RAM-KNIFE-1 ... _763wt_919
One claims "The best source that I have says the knife was made in Italy in the 70's." and in details he lists the origin as "Crafted in Italy". (I think he needs a new source) http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-1-8-Old-Ram-S ... 8640wt_758
And then there's this one. Sold as a collecters knife it went for $35.95
Give the fit & finish on that handle a close look. Note the blade is stamped "Solingen Steel"? http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Old-Ram-Lim ... _494wt_919
Old Ram -- Bah Hum Bug -- Pakistan
Forged on the anvil of discipline.
The Few. The Proud.
Jerry D.
This country has become more about sub-groups than about it's unity as a nation.
"The #72 pattern has got to be pretty close to the perfect knife."
--T.J. Murphy 2012
jerryd6818 wrote:Good find, even if it is a little the worse for neglect. The #80 was only made for a few years and they're hard to find. I just love the milled liners. I think it's odd they used that football shield. Makes it look like a Schrade or Ulster (the Camillus shield is a little more pointed on the ends).
......jerry, never seen one of these before!!!.......what size is it??.......the tang stamp is the 1960-1976, but I can't find it in any of the catalogs I have for that period??.......... ..............
The #80? It's a fancy #72 with nickle silver liners and pins and the liners are milled. The outside liners are milled on the top and the middle liner is milled on the bottom. It was called the De Luxe Carpenter's & Whittler's. The only catalog I've seen it in is the 1965 catalog.
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Forged on the anvil of discipline.
The Few. The Proud.
Jerry D.
This country has become more about sub-groups than about it's unity as a nation.
"The #72 pattern has got to be pretty close to the perfect knife."
--T.J. Murphy 2012
.....how did this one get by me????......... ..........guess since i'm banned from flea bay, i'll have to start looking at the knife shows for one!!........ ..............
Here my first attempt at re-handling a 72 knife.I made my pin spinner to big and it left marks in the bone.I will do better next time.
The bone came from a cow I turned into sausages .We had 80kg ( 176lbs ) sausages and a lot of mince meat.I have four children , spouses and grand kids to share it with.On the farm you don't make much money but you can eat well.
I will have to learn to seat the shield better and take better pictures . ( with the bad picture you can't see my mistakes ).
You can teach a old dog new tricks if he wants to learn.
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Pretty good job for your first run at it. Keep at it Grant and Austraulia will have their very own knife mechanic.
jerryd6818 wrote:The #80? It's a fancy #72 with nickle silver liners and pins and the liners are milled. The outside liners are milled on the top and the middle liner is milled on the bottom. It was called the De Luxe Carpenter's & Whittler's. The only catalog I've seen it in is the 1965 catalog.
Okay, I just got my hands of some '50s catalogs (Thanks Dale <Orvet>) and it shows up in the 1957 catalog too (but not the '55 catalog).
Forged on the anvil of discipline.
The Few. The Proud.
Jerry D.
This country has become more about sub-groups than about it's unity as a nation.
"The #72 pattern has got to be pretty close to the perfect knife."
--T.J. Murphy 2012
Shearer wrote:Here my first attempt at re-handling a 72 knife.I made my pin spinner to big and it left marks in the bone.I will do better next time.
Nice job for your first attempt!
Don't sweat the spinner marks, there will be spinner marks when you spin the pins, unless you leave the pin too long. You can do it without leaving marks, but the knife will be loose where the center pin is. I never worry much about the marks from the spinner unless is wanders off the pin and gouges the handles.
I have seen high end knives, both old & new, that have spinner marks around the pins.
It's a Frankenknife put together by someone with a heck of an imagination and some skill. I like it. I think it's really neat. I sent the guy a message and he said --
"JERRY, THANKS FOR THE KIND WORDS. I BOUGHT THIS KNIFE AT AN AUCTION ABOUT 5 YRS. AGO FOR 55.00 AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO GET MY MONEY BACK. AS I SAID I HAVE ONLY SEEN ONE LIKE IT IN MANY YEARS. HAVE A GREAT DAY. JOE"
Forged on the anvil of discipline.
The Few. The Proud.
Jerry D.
This country has become more about sub-groups than about it's unity as a nation.
"The #72 pattern has got to be pretty close to the perfect knife."
--T.J. Murphy 2012
I received a craftsman 9494 made by Imperial and a Kon-Kav Schrade Walden 863 in the mail.I have also posted the 863 under the 863 post.
I have two Imperial craftsman the other does not have 9494 stamped on the tang.
I have been away for a few weeks visiting my son .It was a round trip of 8000KM or 4800 miles.
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Very nice Imperial Grant. An older one too (both sides of main are saber ground). I have an Ulster with those same orangish handles but I don't have an Imperial that isn't a Scout knife. I have one I think is Imperial but there's no tang stamp.
Another great find Ole Eagle Eye. Reading some of your posts, I think you're quickly becoming THE resident expert on the 72 pattern.
Forged on the anvil of discipline.
The Few. The Proud.
Jerry D.
This country has become more about sub-groups than about it's unity as a nation.
"The #72 pattern has got to be pretty close to the perfect knife."
--T.J. Murphy 2012
The #80 is one of the patterns in the De Luxe line. It has nickel silver liners and pins. In addition, the liners are milled on those knives (gimped / jimped). I watched that knife all week and had intended to bid on it but the more I looked at it, the more it confused me and since I already have an 80, I passed. It's probably a righteous knife but there are some things that don't make sense or are large gaps in my knowlege.
1954 catalog -- The first catalog (that I have) in which the #80 appeared and was shown as a #80 with bone handles. There were no Sword Brand knives in that catalog.
1955 and 1957 catalogs -- The #80 was also in these catalogs. Again no Sword Brand knives in those catalogs.
1965 catalog -- After an eight year gap, the next catalog I have is 1965. The #80 is again listed as a #80 but in this catalog there are Sword Brand knives. The etch on the blade of the Sword Brand knives is either "Razor Edge" or "Sword Brand" and there is not a Carpenter's & Whittler's pattern among them.
1972 catalog -- The Prestige Line is introduced with the Sword Brand blade etch. The #72 is in this cataloge but the #80 is not. I can only assume the #80 was discontinued sometime between 1965 and 1972.
At no point does the #80 appear among the Sword Brand knives in any documentation I have access to. That's what makes the knife a conundrum to me and brings it's legitimacy into question.
Camillus did some crazy things that are not documented or at least not documented anywhere I have access to so ANYTHING is possible. I'm just using what I have to make an assumption.
Forged on the anvil of discipline.
The Few. The Proud.
Jerry D.
This country has become more about sub-groups than about it's unity as a nation.
"The #72 pattern has got to be pretty close to the perfect knife."
--T.J. Murphy 2012
.........the tang stamps/etchings on these gets more confusing by the day!!!......i'm going to let you younger guys figure it all out!!!.......I just like the knives!!!!................. ..........................
.........just re-read all these posts about the #80- so the #80 pattern is the same as a #72, except for the etches and markings,right????....................... ............................
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