SCHRADES MY TRUE LOVE

lt632ret · Post by **lt632ret** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:05 am

Hey the cell is old most everything tends to shrink when it gets old. You must have gotten them together if they are all salesman marked. They look like they were from one source but again that is a conclusion from the pic which may be totally wrong. I believe I have the original Say it with flowers steel stamp that was used for them all . Somewhere. Nice thankyou for posting them LT

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:25 am

They came from that collection that A.G.Russell is selling, LT. He still has a few more. There are also some KeenKutter, and Diamond Edge Shapleighs made by Schrade.
Were they made to sell to the agricultural trades, or as premiums, or? or?
I was trying to figure out the target market, but it isn't clear to me.

lt632ret · Post by **lt632ret** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:43 pm

Hello sorry I have not been able to post as usual we have had some sadness and I have been tied up getting things straightened out. Also with spring I have been attempting to get a new small building up and about a million other things. I am sure many of you have lost sleep over my absence However I am still here with abundant bullshit rhetoric, nasty attitude and depressing insulting commentary, Or as the children used to say You missed me you missed me now you have to kiss me. er NO Thanks

OK I have lost track of where I was on this thread on what I have shown I know there are still a couple of doz or so Schrade cuts but getting to them has gotten even more difficult but since I wanted to impress that I was not dead I thought I would post these 1950 ie 60tys toppers displays used either on a counter or on top of one of the larger display case to augment it. Many of you are more familiar with the newer versions of these for the Heritage, 3 rd gen and scrimshaw lines these however are from the fiftys and were the earlier designs. Notice still real wood ( after this they went to the particle cardboard ect. ) I believe there are five different cases in these pics two are rotating displays one Blue still in wood and glass. ( NOTE DALE the glass panels are the same as the one Charlie gave you. By the way I am missing one on this display only 3 are original . Charlie how did you get my glass panel) Anyway as I have pointed out displays continue to cheapen in construction as the years go by these are among the last real wood but no where as nice as the real early cases. The other revolver is the next style notice veneered cardboard ect. ( 70 ) tys. Note one of the toppers The SW-25 flat across the top. I included the flyer for it in the pics. It is filled with New Old stock Schrade Walden pearls. The other two toppers are at an angle they were almost are deco which was in vogue during this period. I had gotten one without an insert and without a pic was not exctly sure of how it looked then recently I got another one with the insert so I attempted to recreate the insert for the other one. The one with the pins is the one I fabricated. One of these is filled with Schrade contracts diamond edge, Belnap, Primble, Keen Kutter ect. The other an assortment of Schrade Waldens I have them back to back which gives ( I feel ) a nice effect on the 70 tys spinner. LT

gmusic · Post by **gmusic** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:37 pm

Thanks LT for sharing your collection and experiences.

I never got into collecting Schrade for some reason, they made a fine knife.
I carried a 3 OT for the longest time as a young man (I loved that little knife) slim, single blade, the perfect pocket knife. I lost it one day and tore up the town retracing my steps to find it, to no avail. I replaced it with another (it was never the same) and darn if I didn’t loose that one also! I gave up, it wasn’t ment to be.

My first big game kills (30 years ago) were dressed out with a 152 that I still have today!

Keep-um coming LT.

gary

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:07 am

LT and Dale, that Schrade Walden display glass has traveled a circuitous route. Someone in a small town in Washington had the display in their store, and it fell and got badly broken, except for that pane! A Canadian truck driver found it in a junk store, and brought it up here to a friend of mine who collected Schrades. Now this was 15-20 years ago.
The Schrade collector has sold off a lot of his knives, although I still get the odd one from him, and he gave me the glass, I think in October of last year. I don't collect anything but the knives, so I decided to give it to the first true lover of Schrades I could find, who was pure of heart. Not necessarily good looking, just pure of heart

!
So back through Washington to Oregon, and the rest you know!
I wonder what will happen to it next??
Thanks for showing the displays, LT! Hope your difficulties are sorted!!??

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:46 pm

It always makes my day to see someone post something "Schrade" to ogle here, and I thank LT, and all you other contributors!
Here's one to keep things going, fresh from ebay. You don't see too many survivors of this pattern. This one has had enough use to have some character, without losing the pattern.

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Tue May 15, 2007 12:53 am

A.G.Russell has lowered the prices on some and added a few. Picked these up today, and nearly wept they are so beautiful! Like a young girl whose face and person just stuns you into a drooling, gibbering, stuttering heap!!

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Tue May 15, 2007 5:29 am

Sweet!!!!

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Tue May 15, 2007 5:51 am

those are nice charlie.

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Tue May 15, 2007 8:21 am

The address for the vintage knives is A.G.Russell's sister site;
http://www.cuttingedge.com
go to "knives for immediate delivery", and I always choose "folding knives", then "apply".
I should have posted this link above, sorry!

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Tue May 15, 2007 2:23 pm

oh....my a fella can go plumb broke in there in a matter of minutes!

I especially eyed that square bolstered single spring muskrat.

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Tue May 15, 2007 4:23 pm

I did see a few listed as SOLD...................I imagine two or three are on their way to BC, if they have not arrived yet!

Show us their pics when you get them Charlie!

Dale

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Tue May 15, 2007 9:20 pm

Dale I bought 4, the three above, and this rope knife! In past months, I have bought about a dozen which I have posted at various times. A bit pricey, but the condition astounds me. Whoever had that big collection, had something to behold!!

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Tue May 15, 2007 10:39 pm

Awesome rope knife Charlie!

I have one but not in nearly as good of condition. It has seen a lot of what it was made for.......WORK!
Eventually when I get the time I will get it cleaned up, a new handle put on it, & take down the kick as the blade is quite proud.

Dale

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Tue May 15, 2007 11:28 pm

Thats a slick rope knife Charlie. I have one on the way, looks kinda wornm and the point rounded, but it'll do. I need a cleaner one for the start of my rope knife collection (hint hint)

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Thu May 17, 2007 9:19 pm

Blade Brothers; a comparison of an Ulster, with a Walden. I can see these two knives going over the same benches, through the same cutlers' hands, at different times. The most obvious differences are the tang stamps, and the threaded bolsters, but otherwise the DNA is real strong. These are recent acquisitions, the Walden from A&E's collection purchases, and the Ulster was scrambled up in a box of knives at the Oregon show last month!

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Thu May 17, 2007 9:23 pm

they look like they went to different schools, together.

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Fri May 18, 2007 4:55 am

Nice Charlie!

I wish I had seen the Ulster first!

Seriously, a very nice example. Great find.

Dale

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Sat May 26, 2007 4:58 pm

I managed to drag this home today from saturdays knife hunting adventures. A little schrade cut. Looks like a humpback half whittler? pretty full, some honest wear but not abused. The worst spot is a tiny chip near the front mark side bolster. The chip is old, because it is worn smooth from pocket carry.

lt632ret · Post by **lt632ret** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:46 pm

Sorry I have been to jammed up to keep up with my postings. I still have a bunch of Schrade cuts to show however. Since I had to do a display yesterday ( see wounded warrior thread) I had to take this display case out of the vitrene it sits in, is a monster to get to and has five other smaller but similar cases on top of it so getting to it is rare. Since I had it out I thought it would be a good time to show them . These are all Schrade Waldens they are all real bone. there are 3 2 OT knives two are smooth bone ( which is the regular version ) one is jigged bone which is very rare only a handful were made they were trying to make up there minds if they wanted to market them this way. Also an 8-OT in real smooth bone. Most of these are new ( condition) old stock. Most were made from 56 to 59 from handle stock brought to Ulster ( Ellenville ) after the move from Walden. When this ran out the company Schrade concentrated on various forms of delrin synthetic materials for handle materials. They did not start using bone or stag again until the mid 70 tys and by then the tang was changed from Schrade Walden to just Schrade. I hope you like the pics. LT

lt632ret · Post by **lt632ret** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:57 pm

pics 11-20

lt632ret · Post by **lt632ret** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:00 pm

Pics 21-30

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:01 pm

Awesome collection, LT. Sure would like to see them up close!! Please keep them coming!
The jigging looks different than a lot of Waldens I've seen, on several of those knives. Can you talk a bit about when the different jigs appeared??

lt632ret · Post by **lt632ret** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:01 pm

pics 31-38

lt632ret · Post by **lt632ret** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:26 pm

This question sometimes comes up at shows. Usually from collectors who have been doing it for a while and consider themselves experts. I have seen them pick them up and say this jigging is wrong. The answer is in the statment I made earlier 56-59 made in Ellenville. When the move was made not all the old equiptment ie jigging dies ect were reinstituted and or used in the new ( ie ULSTER plant ). They refurbished machines for increased and more varied production. When they did they used some of the old jigging dies and some new. As with replaced tang stamps ( when they wear out) while they may all say the same thing they often are not exactly the same. from 46 until 56 a matter of 10 years in walden under Schrade Walden when they jigged handles they were still using the same machinery that they made Schrade cuts from for years before. So collectors are not used to seeing the sightly different variations. Most are not aware of this reason. So they assume that there is something wrong . Actually the funny part is that these under Schrade Walden these were only made until the old material ran out about 3 or 4 years so these under Schrade walden are among the most rare bone versions Schrade ever made. However explaining this to some genius at a show is virtually impossible since it must be a fake because they are experts who have collected Schrades for years and do not recognize the early Ulster, Schrade Walden variation. Versus the earlier Walden Schrade cut and Schrade Walden style. I have another display but filled with pearls made during this period again until the old material ran out. Never a question on them even though the knives themselves are exactly the same as the jigged bone versions. Now to further complicate matters when Schrade did start making jigged bone handles again ( 70tys 80tys ect special issues) they actually used some of the same jigging from the late fiftys that they had not used since then. However the tangs were changed. I suppose someone could have bought a new delrin knife in the 60tys in the anticipation of Schrade opting to start producing jigged handles for special issues in the 80tys saved the original knife in new condition then 20 years later bought the anticipated special edition and then exchanged handles so you would have to buy the knife for about 10 or 15 dollars in the 60 tys save it for 20 years then buy the heritage or working mans set or some thing similar for 40 or 50 dollars changed hands making the heritage obviously not original putting in the hours needed and had the old style fiftys jigged bone handles on a pre 72 Schrade Walden which in the 80tys might have been worth 50 to 75 dollars. Try and explain this to this 75 year old guy at a show who has seen the old style all his life has about 5 cents on a dollar of actual knowledge and has no real knowledge of what the history is. In my case it is a bit easier since I bought and was given these knives as they are in the 60 tys and early seventys. Many by people who were employed by Schrade.

This type of misunderstanding ( conflicting enigma ) is not unique to just these. In 46 ( approx) Schrade cut went to Schrade Walden until then there automatic hunters under Schrade cut had been handled in jigged bone they still were until the existing stock was used up then they went to a composite ( ie early plastic ) jigged handle. The fact is these knifes in bone while legit because some were made this way. In reality most that you find this way have been rehandled because the bone was only used for a short period . This happens because bone can be found and copied the early composite plastic is totally impossible to replace and it gets brittle and this material has not been made in 50 years. So in reality down the road these in plastic will be worth more than the older Schrade cuts or Schrade Walden varietys do to rarity . I have seen those same Schrade experts look down there nose at them "don't want no dang plastic Schrade Walden hunter in plastic got one in bone? " Sure right here genius, genuine cowshin 6 months old . A little knowledge is a lot more dangerous than you might believe. Another example is the orange paratrooper knife. Made by Schrade, Camillus, and Logan Smithe none of them were great but the Schrade and Camillus were servicable and useful, the Logans were so bad the army cancelled the contract. Now which do you think is worth more you guessed it The Logan. why? supply and demand if you are a collector you want one of each the Logans were so bad it is becoming impossible to find one in decent condition.

What happens with a company like Schrade is that the people who really know the answers to why these things happened pass on and this history is distorted and changed perhapes that is why It aggravates me so. It is a good question Charlie unfortunately it takes all this to answer it. If the Schrade collection still existed to day you could simply look at it and as a physical reference all this would be visually self evident it would jump right out no words and just by looking you could see the entire evolution. LT

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