Date Utica stamp?

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:46 pm

Could someone date this utica stamp? Or better yet how about a pic of the tangstamps and when they were used

. All I know is it is pre 1937, probably post 1929, anyway to narrow it down further?

galvanic1882 · Post by **galvanic1882** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:01 pm

I have afew from the factory collection and if the back of the main blade on the knife has the UTK Warranted mark it would put it around 1915 or so. Not sure if it does not have this mark and only the arched Utica stamp.

That is all I know but the Utica factory is still working and you might get an answer from one of their VP's. I visited the factory and there were a few people working there that like to talk about the older knives. Can't remeber names though it was awhile ago.

Sorry I could not be of more help.

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:45 pm

I tried to get some info from Utica about this tang stamp a year or two ago, but couldn't get an answer. They referred me to someone who knew a little about the old ones, but his knowledge was limited. Here is a picture, and a drawing of the tang stamp. The blade and punch are stamped the same, and I can't see anything on the back. Any help would be appreciated.
Hope this helps rather than hinders your thread MM!! There are not as many discussions around referring to Utica, as there are about Schrade, Case etc.

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:02 pm

Nice knife Charlie!

Why am I not surprised that it is a harness jack?

BTW, that candle end is beautiful on it!

I wish I could help with the tang stamp, but I don't know.
Dale

arathol · Post by **arathol** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:47 am

Charlie, I'm not sure if this helps at all but that harness jack has got Camillus written all over it. The bone, the blade, overall it looks like an old Camillus jack. I have a couple with that same color bone handles with similiar jigging, it appears to be old hand jigged bone. The knife with the handles that have the closest match are on a knife made preWW1 from what I have been able to discover. The blade has the same exact design as those found on a couple old Camillus jacks I have also, right down to the little angle at the end of the swedge on the spine. These jacks are preWW2, one is pre 1919. Camillus did make Utica knives under contract at some point, maybe if you could find out when that would narrow it down. Heres the only pic I have handy of the old Camillus knives, a shot of the blade.

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:50 am

Glad you like it Dale!
Arathol, I agree now that you point it out. If you could shoot your Camillus knives and post them here, I'd greatly appreciate it. I may have a couple with that same similarity, so I'll see if I can dig up some pics too.

arathol · Post by **arathol** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:48 am

OK, heres the Camillus 2-blade EZ Open jack thats quite similiar to yours, made after 1916, certainly before 1940, more like the early 1920s. Also, a picture that was posted in your thread on Levines forum of a Sears ad from 1928 that features a knife that looks like yours. This one was probably a Camillus also. Notice the resemblance- over-all shape, blade shape, pin placement, bolster shape etc.

ea42 · Post by **ea42** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 3:15 am

Nice one Charlie, I like that punch! Is it very common to have a match strike pull on the punch blades?
The most pronounced difference between the Camillus and Utica is the Utica "kick" at the base of the blade is longer with a downward slant, whereas the Camillus is short and almost perpendicular to the blade. It almost looks as if they caught the edges if the dye when they stamped the tang.
Eric

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:29 am

O.K. I found 4 HJs that have the "pointy" candle end bottom bolster. Two Uticas, one with Muskrat Man's stamp, and the one with the "box" shown above also. Then there's a Henry Sears that looks identical, and a Frankfurth that's the same except for the punch, which doesn't have that matchstriker.
I put them as close together as possible. You can see the first Utica has an extra blade (can opener), and a screwdriver liner sticking out covering the tang stamp, but it is the "arched" UTICA stamp like MM's.
I look at these, and I have my doubts now they are Camilluses. They are close, but a little different. The bolster is the most obvious, but I think the pin placement varies. But I need new glasses!!

What do you'all think??

MM, I apologize again! This is getting out of hand

!!

All About Pocket Knives

Date Utica stamp?

Date Utica stamp?

Utica Stamp

ANOTHER UTICA STAMP