Antique Camillus Knife
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GerryMski
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Antique Camillus Knife
I have an old pocketknife of my grandfather's. I believe it to be a Camillus "Jigged Black Farmer Stockman w/ Spiral Punch". I understand that these were sold between 1903 and 1945. Can this be narrowed down? Does it have any value or is it junk?
On the base of the large blade its printed CAMILLUS CUTLERY. It has three blades.
On the base of the large blade its printed CAMILLUS CUTLERY. It has three blades.
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Re: Antique Camillus Knife
Gerry -- Welcome to AAPK
Can you get a clear, in focus picture of the tang stamp and post it?
In the latter portion of the 1940s, there were four separate pattern numbers made with that blade combination.
#64 -- 3-3/8" closed, called a Junior Premium Stock Knife
#68 -- 3-7/8" closed, called a Premium Stock Knife
#71 -- 3-5/8" closed with bone handles called a Cattle Knife - Fat like a Cigar pattern, this knife was only in the '46 catalog.
#73 -- 3-5/8" closed with Celluloid handles also a Cattle Knife - Same Cigar pattern & only in the '46 & '48 catalogs.
The #71 and the #73 don't look like your knife. Depending on the length, I'd say it's a #64 or #68 from the 1950s. I say 1950s because of those hard black synthetic handles.
With the blade loss to the main (clip) blade and the handle shrinkage, I'd guess (and it is just a guess) $15 to $30 on eBay. It all depends on the day of the week, how well it's listed, quality of the pictures, phase of the moon, time of day the auction ends and who's bidding on it. It doesn't "feel" like much over a $15-$20 knife. I could be wrong. It happens.
Can you get a clear, in focus picture of the tang stamp and post it?
In the latter portion of the 1940s, there were four separate pattern numbers made with that blade combination.
#64 -- 3-3/8" closed, called a Junior Premium Stock Knife
#68 -- 3-7/8" closed, called a Premium Stock Knife
#71 -- 3-5/8" closed with bone handles called a Cattle Knife - Fat like a Cigar pattern, this knife was only in the '46 catalog.
#73 -- 3-5/8" closed with Celluloid handles also a Cattle Knife - Same Cigar pattern & only in the '46 & '48 catalogs.
The #71 and the #73 don't look like your knife. Depending on the length, I'd say it's a #64 or #68 from the 1950s. I say 1950s because of those hard black synthetic handles.
With the blade loss to the main (clip) blade and the handle shrinkage, I'd guess (and it is just a guess) $15 to $30 on eBay. It all depends on the day of the week, how well it's listed, quality of the pictures, phase of the moon, time of day the auction ends and who's bidding on it. It doesn't "feel" like much over a $15-$20 knife. I could be wrong. It happens.
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Jerry D.
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"The #72 pattern has got to be pretty close to the perfect knife."
--T.J. Murphy 2012
The Few. The Proud.
Jerry D.
This country has become more about sub-groups than about it's unity as a nation.
"The #72 pattern has got to be pretty close to the perfect knife."
--T.J. Murphy 2012
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GerryMski
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Re: Antique Camillus Knife
Thanks for your reply. I'm learning.
I assume the tang stamp is what is printed on the blades. These are hardly visible with magnifier. The large blade has crossed blades on one side and the Camillus Cutlery on the other. The small pointed blade has something too. It's hard to read, but it ends in RAL and is either 5 or 6 letters.
i tried scanning it and that did not give anything.
I assume the tang stamp is what is printed on the blades. These are hardly visible with magnifier. The large blade has crossed blades on one side and the Camillus Cutlery on the other. The small pointed blade has something too. It's hard to read, but it ends in RAL and is either 5 or 6 letters.
i tried scanning it and that did not give anything.
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GerryMski
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Re: Antique Camillus Knife
I forgot. It is exactly 3 1/@ inches long closed.
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Re: Antique Camillus Knife
Yes, the tang stamp is what's stamped on the blade. See examples below. The tang stamp (the brand of knife, such as Camillus, Case, Schrade) is almost always on the main blade.
Yours is a Sword Brand which was the premium line for Camillus.
Did you mean to say 3-1/2" closed?
Could the "RAL" word be 'Spiral'?
Yours would most likely look like this:
Yours is a Sword Brand which was the premium line for Camillus.
Did you mean to say 3-1/2" closed?
Could the "RAL" word be 'Spiral'?
Yours would most likely look like this:
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Forged on the anvil of discipline.
The Few. The Proud.
Jerry D.
This country has become more about sub-groups than about it's unity as a nation.
"The #72 pattern has got to be pretty close to the perfect knife."
--T.J. Murphy 2012
The Few. The Proud.
Jerry D.
This country has become more about sub-groups than about it's unity as a nation.
"The #72 pattern has got to be pretty close to the perfect knife."
--T.J. Murphy 2012
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GerryMski
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Re: Antique Camillus Knife
I think you got it. The swords are the same and I notice that side b is hard to read. Yes! I think the little blade does say what you suggest. The font threw me.
Thanks
Thanks
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Re: Antique Camillus Knife
Since it's Sword Brand, it may be somewhat earlier than the 1950s. With those handles, more than likely c.WWII ('41-'46). I think in that condition, the previous value would hold.
Forged on the anvil of discipline.
The Few. The Proud.
Jerry D.
This country has become more about sub-groups than about it's unity as a nation.
"The #72 pattern has got to be pretty close to the perfect knife."
--T.J. Murphy 2012
The Few. The Proud.
Jerry D.
This country has become more about sub-groups than about it's unity as a nation.
"The #72 pattern has got to be pretty close to the perfect knife."
--T.J. Murphy 2012
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Re: Antique Camillus Knife
welcome to aapk sir,
whatever the monetary value might be on that knife, the sentimental value far exceeds that amount.
whatever the monetary value might be on that knife, the sentimental value far exceeds that amount.
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Re: Antique Camillus Knife
Jerry.....Would you mind posting the Camillus Tang Stamp Chart so that it can be enlarged? I've got a few old ones and it would really help knowing the correct ages for them. Thanks!
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Re: Antique Camillus Knife
Hey Bob, I've got that same tang stamp chart and it does not enlarge very well, everything just smears. Try here, it's better.
http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kni ... =35&t=7436
http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kni ... =35&t=7436
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God Bless America - Though I don't know why he would want to.
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Re: Antique Camillus Knife
T.J.s right. That one starts out small and there's no way I know of to enlarge it without it pixelating (getting blurry) so I made another one (Just for you Bob.
). Try this one on for 'size'. (pun intended)
Like all other pictures that are loaded to AAPK, click on it once to enlarge it. Click on it the second time to see it full size.
Like all other pictures that are loaded to AAPK, click on it once to enlarge it. Click on it the second time to see it full size.
Forged on the anvil of discipline.
The Few. The Proud.
Jerry D.
This country has become more about sub-groups than about it's unity as a nation.
"The #72 pattern has got to be pretty close to the perfect knife."
--T.J. Murphy 2012
The Few. The Proud.
Jerry D.
This country has become more about sub-groups than about it's unity as a nation.
"The #72 pattern has got to be pretty close to the perfect knife."
--T.J. Murphy 2012
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Re: Antique Camillus Knife
Nice job Jerry, I saved that one. 
"There are none so blind as those that refuse to see"
God Bless America - Though I don't know why he would want to.
God Bless America - Though I don't know why he would want to.
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Re: Antique Camillus Knife
It looks to be from 1941 to 1946 with that set of tang stamps. I could be wrong.
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