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Got a call back from the Case Factory re the "missing p

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I was told that they weren't missing, just "counter sunk very deep". Why in the world would they go from having the pins flush with the surface of the scales, then suddenly decide to countersink them so deep as to create, in my opinion, a very unsightly looking affair? ::shrug:: She went on to tell me they would clean up the knife, polish it out and send it back to me at no charge. I guess I should be greatful for their work, but when I get it back, it won't be long before there are brass pins in those ugly countersunk holes. ::huff:: It's just something I can't live with and I WILL FIX IT! :wink:
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I can think of no reason why a pin would need to be countersunk, a screw certainly, but a "countersunk pin" is a new one on me.
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If it is "countersunk" too deeply there won't much material for it to grip. It is probably worse than no pin at all. Just glue the scales on and be done with it.

I assume we are referring to handle pins & not the pivot or rocker pins.
If the rocker or pivot pin is countersunk too much, I would think it might pull out & let your knife fall apart.

Just my 2¢,
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Hukk wrote:I can think of no reason why a pin would need to be countersunk, a screw certainly, but a "countersunk pin" is a new one on me.
My feelings exactly HUKK. It makes no sense whatsoever. It's just an unneccessary hole for gunk to accumulate.....not to mention that it looks very unprofessional and unsightly. :roll: But, as me dear old departed Mom used to say...."It ain't no jump for a show dog".
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orvet wrote:If it is "countersunk" too deeply there won't much material for it to grip. It is probably worse than no pin at all. Just glue the scales on and be done with it.

I assume we are referring to handle pins & not the pivot or rocker pins.
If the rocker or pivot pin is countersunk too much, I would think it might pull out & let your knife fall apart.

Just my 2¢,
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Yep....front and rear pins on the scales. Looks like crap in my not so humble opinion.
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If it were my knife, I think I would write a very polite letter, explaining that I have been collecting knives for many years and have come to expect better quality from American made knives.

I would tell them that for the price I paid for their Case knife I could buy 8 or 10 knives made in China with better fit & finish than their knife. Or I could buy one Canal Street and have a knife of exceptional quality and still have money left over from the price of their knife.

Then I would explain to them that they can either replace my knife with one that is made right or I will stop buying & collecting Case knives and will tell all my friends on several knife collecting forums about the terrible fit and finish of the knife I bought. and I will write in the forums in great length about my dissatisfaction with their lack of customer service.

That is what I would do.
For someone in customer service to tell me that the pins are countersunk, is an insult to my intelligence! That sounds like a off-the-top-of-the-head BS answer to shut up an irate customer, IMHO. :x

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8) 8) ..Or I could buy one Canal Street and have a knife of exceptional quality and still have money left over from the price of their knife. 8) 8) ...

Well said and the TRUTH too... ::tu::
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They are patronizing you dewman; a true insult to the consumer. Make them fix it!!
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O.K.....you guys have convinced me.

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As soon as I get the Yellow Case Trapper back from the factory....if the pin issue is still like when I sent it in....I'm going to get the CEO's name and send it to him in a "return receipt requested" package with the gist of all the comments you guys offered. Of course, I'll be "reasonably" polite, and I'll certainly not mention any names....but I WILL GET MY POINT ACROSS! It's not right. It's WRONG! It's not professional, it doesn't live up to the quality the Case name was built upon and it's shoddy work that even Ray Charles would recognize! I'm going to throw the ball in their court and see what they have to say.....AND do. I'll report what their response is.

I agree that they did indeed patronize me and blew smoke up my kazoo. I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but another quote from me dear old departed Mom perhaps says it best...."I don't have to step in bullsh%t to recognize it!" A very wise woman she was.
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Be precise, professional, keep it short and accurate, let them know you are knowledgable by your language showing them you know that a countersunk pin is a defective product. DON'T FLAME on anyone, otherwise you will meet with an unwilling party. Don't do anything that will put them on the defensive. Write the letter, read it a day or 2 later, or post it here for feedback. Be business like, an or else will get you just that, "or else". The thing to do is to not get them boxed into a corner. They already know you can buy can buy 8-10 Chinese knives or a Canal Street Cutlery. If you throw that out, what they already know, you have just slapped them in the face, giving them an ultamative will not get your knives fixed.

Just a simple letter stating that you have been collecting Case knives for xx many years and it is your experience that a countersunk pin is regarded as a defect because a pin is designed to keep the scales in place. You think highly of Case and were disappointed by their response because you did not think Case would send a knife out like that and pass it off as a quality product and so on.

Just a suggestion, that sort of style has seemed to work well for me in the past.
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Excellent Hukk... ::nod:: .. Short and to the point less said works.
If you make it as a piss & mown letter that's what you get back in many cases. :x
I just like to add that "I am not pleased with the way this turned out can you help me?" :cry: :cry: (do to this being the 2nd try, and you now are sending it to a person rather then just the Company) It's like you are giving them a 2nd chance that way.
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i sent a new defective kershaw back-a 150$ zdp mini cyclone-
they didnt do anything but ship it back-
i sent a email that basicly said i wasnt happy,and used no bad language(a first for me-lol)

the head dog from national sales -thomas w- called my phone not 10 minutes after i sent the email-and they sent a new one next day air-

its all about communication-a lack of it makes you mad,good communication makes you happy
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WOW rosconey,
I can honestly say that is the worse story I have ever heard about Kershaw customer service. Seriously!
Usually they replace the item no questions asked. Something slipped through the cracks somewhere.

I was a Kershaw dealer for 10+ years (1981-1992) and I can honestly say that is the first time I have heard of them not fixing a knife or replacing it the first time. No wonder the National Sales Manager was on the phone to you.
If other American knife companies took PR lessons from Kershaw, there might be a few more in business today from sheer customer loyalty.

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The advice given for drafting the letter by Hukk is right on. MAKE SURE IT IS NOT LONGER THAN ONE PAGE.

Anything more than that, and it's Tooo Long.

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