2010 Boy Scout replica compared to original

[wazu013]

I bought the new RS4233 2010 Boy Scout replica from Red Hill. It came into me last week and today is the first chance I have had to Ren wax and oil it for stogage. One thing I have to say is that the old one beats the new one as far as quality and craftsmanship are concerned. As far as it being a replica it falls short in some ways. The jigging doesn't go from end to end and the dye isn't as consistant as the 1924 model is. The swedge on the blade of the new knife is about 1/4" shorter. They both weigh about the same. The old knife weighed 2.2oz and new one weighed 2.4oz although the new knife felt lighter. I must say that the new knife is nice on it's own merit. As the 2009 model replica showed me is that they made better knives back in the 20's weather it's because everything was hand made or the workmen were better at what they did.. Once again though I have to say the new one is nice and American made. It comes in a nice box with a Norman Rockwell scetching. You won't be disappointed with it in your collection. I hope this helps you make your decision as to whether or not to buy the replicas.
Wazu013

[Froggyedge]

Interesting comparison!
You don't happen to have any pictures..?

[gino]

yes show some pics please

[wazu013]

This is my first shot at sending a picture. Let's see how it goes.
Wazu013

[wazu013]

Here are a couple more pics, I hope.
Wazu013

[glenn]

Who is the maker of the new knife?

[Froggyedge]

Nice pictures!
I can clearly see what you mean about the jigging and the color.
Both nice knives, but the original having sort of more...personality.

[trail]

Wazu, great pictures! And now that you see how easy it is to post them, I'll bet you have a great collection just waiting to be shown. My understanding is that the knife is made by Bear & Son. I know they made the 2009 and they have made some other Remington stamped knives lately.

[ike_j]

Late to the party on this post, and first to boot. but I do have some input on the recreated RS4233. The 2010 model I recieved was poorly made, almost shameful to put the Remington name on it. The master blade had significant play on both the vertical and horizontal axis and every blade felt as though metal shavings were lodged in the joints. I sent it back and was happy to exchange if the seller was willing to hand pick, which he was. Unfortunately he was unable to find one in his stock that he thought would satisfy me. I'm not a hard-a** when it comes to buying items, I just want decent quality; this particular knife didn't come close.

I still want the 2010 model, just wondering how many have purchased this knife and what has your experience been? I just purchased a "vintage" RS4233 and would like to display the two together.

Thanks for any feedback.

[Miller Bro's]

I have commented on this subject before on another thread. I have seen these repro "Remington" scout knives. To say the quality is poor is an understatement. If I was a Remington executive I would never accept a knife made of this quality, supposedly they are "EXACT" replicas of the originals and made with the same tooling as the originals

For the price they charge for them they should be a lot better quality, you would be better off just buying an original in excellent condition, it will hold it`s value and should increase much more over time

[jerryd6818]

Like Dimitri, I posted on this knife in another thread, in another time. I bought the 2010 as a birthday present for my buddy. In the condition (factory fresh) I received it, I would have been embarrassed to give it to him. Sharp edges everywhere on the handles, bolsters and backs of the blades. I kicked up a fuss and ended up sending it back to Bear & Son where they went over it and made it better, but not near what it should have been.

[ike_j]

...you would be better off just buying an original in excellent condition, it will hold it`s value and should increase much more over time

I recently purchased an original, though it doesn't qualify as excellent; the tip is off the awl, making an otherwise very nice knife, a learning experince for a novice collector.

I kicked up a fuss and ended up sending it back to Bear & Son where they went over it and made it better, but not near what it should have been.

So it's Bear & Son that makes the replicas...

Thank you both for responding.

[Miller Bro's]

Where are my manners? Please post a picture of your knife

[wishful]

IMHO The newer Remington knives made by Bear & Sons do not compare in quality to the Remington knives which were made by Camillus.

[Miller Bro's]

I think if GEC made it, the knife would have been 10x better, JMO

[tongueriver]

Here is the 2010 100-year jamboree knife that Bear made for the Boy Scout Jamboree. It was not sold elsewhere to my knowledge, so this one must have been sold on that site, wherever it was. They are immediately rare, but, of course, they are in no way reminiscent of the knives of the 20s and 30s, in my view. However, they are really not bad. This one is NIB, with papers and little plastic bag. I have moved away from this genre and this one will go on the block at some point, I reckon.

[jerryd6818]

That's certainly nothing like the 2010 I bought. That one looks like it has potential. I didn't know that one existed. Thanks for posting it.

Edit: I just noticed it's a 2010 and the tang stamp is 'Bear MGC'. I find that odd. I didn't think they used that tang stamp anymore. I was under the impression their tang stamp is now and has been for a good while, 'Bear and Son'.

[ike_j]

Where are my manners? Please post a picture of your knife

Many thanks for the "welcome". I'll post as soon as I get a picture as soon as I am able.

IMHO The newer Remington knives made by Bear & Sons do not compare in quality to the Remington knives which were made by Camillus.

Were the Camillus knives remakes of the Remington BSA line? If so, are there any indicators that would flag it as such?

[jerryd6818]

Welcome aboard Ike. Grab a rack, stow your gear and report for duty.

[trail]

From looking at Bear catalogs for 2009, 2010 and 2011, I think that Bear transitioned into the Bear & Son stamp in 2009. I think most 2009s still were stamped Bear MGC, in 2010 about half were the new stamp, and in 2011 almost all. The corporate name did change to Bear & Son in 2004 when Griffey and crew bought the company from Swiss Army Brands, Inc, but they continued with the Bear MGC and their Case-ish dot system for a few more years.