C.J. Case Kane, Pa. Knife?

[Forensic Jim]

Been looking at this knife on eBay (item #320656568264), for a few days and can't really find anything in my books for a C.J. Case, Kane, Pa. Looks like a nice dog leg jack knife with the long pull on the spear blade. I'm curious as to if this might be a really rare knife? I found a 6207LP pattern in Jim Sargents 6th Edition Knife and Razors book that pretty much looks like the knife in question. The seller has it listed as made in Cane, Pa., but that's probably due to the pitting of the stamp. I don't know this seller and I'm not bidding on this knife, but I sure would like to know any info on C.J. Case. This is actually the first Kane, Pa. stamped knife I've seen.

[gary]

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[knifegirl888]

In Goins, it lists "Clifton Case", jobbing knives while he lived in Kane, PA c1910-1911. In Brad Lockwoods book, it shows a picture of John D. Case with his sons, Wyatt, A.D. and Clifton. After John died, it states his sons slowly faded from the cutlery industry & Clifton eventually retired in Tucson, AZ.

[Forensic Jim]

Thanks for the info knifegirl. I couldn't find anything in my books.

[RobesonsRme.com]

Jim, seems like that probably is a rare stamp.
Wish we knew what PA Knives thinks of it.
Charlie Noyes

[chetr1200c]

someone knew its value. it sold for $520, and only $3 s&h..hope he insured it..

[PA Knives]

I watched it closely and knew it would go higher than I was willing to pay. It is a fine piece and a rare one to boot. I just don't think it was worth that much, but hey, that's me. I would have liked to see it in person to determine the age marks around the tang stamp though. That did kinda bother me. But I truly liked it.

[knifeaholic]

I'm more than a bit suspicious about the authenticity of that knife. CJ Case was a real person and a member of the Case family. But the only stamp that I have ever heard of is a simple CASE/KANE PA. I'm not passing complete judgment, just suspicious.

[PA Knives]

Here is my authentic John D. Case KANE PA. thought you might like to see it here as well.

[cecil]

The trademark on this knife is found on page 49 of Goin's encyclopedia of cutlery markings. I don't know why it would be spelled with a c instead of a k though.

[cecil]

Sorry,I meant to say I don't know why Kane was spelled with a c instead of a k.

[Forensic Jim]

That's a nice looking sleeveboard you have there David. Those are the only two Case knives I've seen stamped with Kane, Pa.

[cecil]

Hey,Pa Knives, would you be interested in selling that John D.Case?

[PA Knives]

Sorry not anytime soon, it took me 25 years to find this one. LOL!!!!!!! But when retirement time comes, it and a WHOLE lot more will be on the block. Keep you on the short list though. I don't blame ya bit, as they are like hens teeth. I had to buy an entire collection to get this one. Although a nice Kane Cutlery was in the mix as well so it wasn't a bust

[knifegirl888]

Can we see the Kane, too?

[knifegirl888]

Just wondering what might have happened that this knife is back on the bay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-VINTAGE-C-J-CA ... dZViewItem

[rigwelder]

It brought about half what it did the first time around. I was leary over this knife. I didnt like the tang stamps,,looks like possibly a old shave and cold stamp over some pitting. Another thing,,I asked the seller if it was Cane or Kane,,he said possitively Cane,,which as far as i know is wrong. It doesnt even look like a old case dogleg of any type,, Wr. Case,,Bros or Bradford,,looks like a old simmons or cammilus. Another thing,,the seller said it was returned too him after two weeks with no corespondence from the buyer at all,,said it just showed up,,so he refunded the money.. Which sounds weird.
After looking at it and thinking about it,,I wouldnt be surprised if it was once owned by myrtlefake,,because too me,,it looks like something he would build to sell

Just my opinion,,take it with a grain of salt.




Dear oldpickbone,

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Dear 1z1,

are you sure it says cane pa. and not kane pa. because case only lists knives made in Kane pa.


- oldpickbone

[bonehead]

Folks,

I actually had my wife bid on this knife this afternoon. Quite more than I was comfortable with. But when it got above the $200.00 It was time to move on. As everyone has said, it seems to be ???????? I must admit the biggest thing that bothered me was "Cane,PA" while there is no such place in Pa, it was troublesome. In fact I thought it may have been stamped wrong, but at some point one can't chase a Question mark with the dollar bill.

Alan

[knifeaholic]

I agree with Rigwelder, my opinion when the knife first showed up was that it was a fake, a crude restamp of an older knife if some brand.

I had not noticed the "C" in "Cane"...based on that alone I don't know how anyone could take the knife seriously.

The counterfeiter should have googled the name of the town first...

[bonehead]

I Agree Steve,

As a native of Pa, for many years, I thought this, "Cane, Pa" very werid. And as PA Knives mentioned about the tang stamping, its difficult to read. To me it appeared that when it was obvious to someone that Kane was mispelled, there was a lot of effort put place to gray out this area on both blades.

Thanks for your feedback,

Alan

[gary]

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[PA Knives]

Ladies and Gents,

I bought this knife. As a purveyor of fine vintage cutlery from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, I felt it was my duty to investigate this knife to its fullest. I have concerns I will admit. Once I have inspected it first hand, I will comment back to the group. I was feeling a cocky and had a couple dollars to gamble with so when it came back up I grabbed it. I have a number of knives that have KANE stamps but none are CASE. WE shall see. Hey the mystery is half the fun. FINGERS CROSSED and waiting for the mail.

[cecil]

It looks to me like the "c" in Cane has been mutilated. Hoping for the best for you PA Knives.

[Miller Bro's]

Hard to say what the first letter is, it is almost obliterated.

Here is an enhanced picture.

[PA Knives]

Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, have you reach a verdict?

Yes your Honor we have. We the Jury have found the knife to be !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


COUNTERFIET ON ALL COUNTS

I want to say right up front that this seller is an outstanding person to deal with. I received this knife yesterday and contacted him after my research. He immediately refunded all my money and even provided additional money to have the knife returned to him. That really impressed me. He wants to keep it for himself and the story behind it. refreshing to say the least.

Now for the research findings. comments are on the photos, for those of you that are new to vintage cutlery, you just might learn something, for those of you that think you know, you just might learn something, I know I did.




I hope this little lesson helps some of you understand better what to look for. I gambled and lost, but not really, a great seller and an opportunity to learn. Only sad part is, I still don't have a C.J. Case Kane knife in my collection.

On a side note, I research this name. Goin's book says it is from Clifton Case, son of J. D. All the census records show Clifton's middle initial as "C" not "J".???????? Was Goins wrong, did he see a similar knife, "did he see this knife"? Does someone out there have a REAL C.J. Case Knife was this another CASE family member and not Clifton. We may never know, but you can bet that I will be looking to find out, as that is what makes collecting PA KNIVES fun for me.

HOPE you all enjoyed this experience,