Recent Slipjoints

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:00 am

Here are a couple of recent slipjoints I was able to gladly add to my collection...I love the Harness Jack knife... Here is a little history

Queen Schatt & Morgan harness jack, 3rd release

This revival series was commissioned by a collector with a passion for the old patterns. The harness or farmer’s jack is a simple tool with a definite purpose: making quick adjustments to horse and mule tack. In the days when draft animals were common this knife, with a leather punch as its secondary blade, was easy to carry, affordable, and indispensable to a farmer.
The previous run followed a 1911 Schatt & Morgan pattern as closely as possible, but for this latest (3rd) release features traditional details taken from more than one knife. The equal end pattern is pocket and hand friendly, and its symmetry is appealing to the eye. Pinched, threaded bolsters make it special. The punch is Seymour Alvord’s design for Empire cutlery, patented in 1906. The cutting edge leads the cut slightly and this makes it the most versatile because you can easily adjust the hole size and cut it cleanly. Queen achieved this by forging the edge over, and carefully hand grinding the back into an effective curve. A sharp point allows one to “wiggle” the point in to the desired depth without risking a cut to the fingers.
Handle materials available are ebony, Sambar stag, candy-stripe celluloid, greenbone, strawberry bone, and even a very few pieces in mother-of-pearl. Blades are marked with the total number of knives produced in that handle material (greenbone 73, strawberry 40, stag 36, ebony 35, candy-stripe 16, pearl 6). The steel is 1095, a very traditional high-carbon material.

jfarmer · Post by **jfarmer** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:11 am

Wowee sunburst, those are nice. I especially like the candy stripe.

James

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:18 am

Thank you James the pictures don't do them justice..Especially the Pearl handled, man oh man is it a beauty...

Sunburst

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:30 am

jeese sunburst, i think you're giving me another case(no pun intended)of the shatts. those are great

Blade Runner · Post by **Blade Runner** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:30 am

Sunburst, those are some really great looking knives!!!!
Gary

4ever3 · Post by **4ever3** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:42 am

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Awesome

mumblypeg · Post by **mumblypeg** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:39 am

Great knives, sunburst!

Enjoyed the quick history lesson, also.

Roger - 50/2050 · Post by **Roger - 50/2050** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:06 pm

Howdy sunburst,

Beautiful knife lot! ....Love them there bolsters & punch + their equal end look, bet they are meaty in the hand yet the slim look is there (the Stag is my eye catcher for sure ) ....Thanks for sharing them with us old pard!

"Texas collector", Roger - 50/2050

smiling-knife · Post by **smiling-knife** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:07 pm

A beautiful set of knives Sunburst

. The traditional/simpler patterns are my favourites. Thanks for posting those for us

s-k

jabberwocky · Post by **jabberwocky** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:09 pm

...Outrageously mad, beautiful knives, Sunburst.

cj

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:52 am

The latest editions...Northwoods Scagel #8 English jack or daddy-barlow and Northwoods Scagel #6 Fixed blade & Folder...

justold52 · Post by **justold52** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:05 am

YUP PERS I am with jfarmer on that candy stripe.

You know I too love that Pearl handled one.

but my want list is 2 pages long now. I know you sold some of your old knifes, but I am haveing mixed fellings on what to sell. It's hard for me to let go of any knife.

Any help on this Sunburst?

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:22 am

justold52 wrote:YUP PERS I am with jfarmer on that candy stripe.

You know I too love that Pearl handled one.

but my want list is 2 pages long now. I know you sold some of your old knifes, but I am haveing mixed fellings on what to sell. It's hard for me to let go of any knife.

Any help on this Sunburst?

Wow Ken now that's a hard question...I sold every knife I had with the exception of two of them and I still hurt today for selling them off. I never could have moved up a notch (In my Opinion) to the more expensive Schatt & Morgan brand but boy oh boy I miss some of my Fight'n Roosters, Bulldogs and Case knives I had built up...

I have not really looked back at what I did have because of the quality I feel I am gradually working toward but I just like traditional slipjoint knives in general and hate that I may never see some of them again.

My biggest decision was to go for Quality over Quantity...I know this did not answer your question but when your ready to pursue a particular brand or style you just make the hard choice because of the hunt for the that next knife...

Take care my friend,

Sunburst

justold52 · Post by **justold52** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:45 am

Not wanting to take from you tread Sunburst.

But I fell like after I recive my knife and play with it. Then its like a kid of mine. I can NOT sell my kids just to adopt a new kid yet.
Perhaps if I look at it like sell 3 lovey kids that are going off to collage to get a new NFL pro player then it just mit help?

I know if I sell any knifes that I have more than one of I will keep the best looking one and sell the other?

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:53 pm

A few more additions to the Scagel drawer..

jfarmer · Post by **jfarmer** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:31 am

Excellent sunburst. I really like the stag one.

James

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:00 am

All real nice, but the ivory Scagel is special!! Given the general title of the thread, I thought I'd post my recent acquisitions. Hope I'm not hijacking here?? I got these at a nice little annual show in Pasadena.
At top is an Empire 4 blade pen, followed by a Schrade Cut. pen, again a 4 blade.
Then a 9-dot redbone slim trapper w. muskrat blade; Case 6318.
A 6 dot Canoe with a canoe etch.
A Birdseye maple D-2 Queen
Finally, a 60's Case budding and grafting knife.
I always find some nice ones at that show, every February!!

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:47 am

Nice knives Charlie!

singin46 · Post by **singin46** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:37 am

OK Sunburst, you have done a great thing in upgrading for quality, without a doubt my friend. Your knives R FINE and SUPERFINE, if I may say so.
That Scagel Ivory is JAMUP AND HONEY, as we say in Nashville.

GOOOODNESS!

I am humbled my friend.

Singin46

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:39 am

Thanks Guys for the wonderful comments, your opinions are much appreciated..

For the life of me Waynorth I wish I could see someone use that budding and grafting knife..

All the knives I have seen used for budding are nothing of that caliber but I am trying to figure out the blunt end of that knife..??? The only thing I can think of is that when slipping your bud eye into the bark of the tree you would use that to help position the bud before taping it...?

Thanks for sharing and a big thanks for the ivory Scagel..

Sunburst

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:25 pm

If anyone would know about grafting, it would be you burst-man!!
I only know what I've been told; something about opening bark without tearing it so the bud can be inserted???
I also have folding B & G knives, but I've never B & G'ed anything. There's a guy in WA who collects them as well.
But can you tell us more about the process??

smiling-knife · Post by **smiling-knife** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:55 pm

Hi upnorth. I think you have the basic idea. See if this makes any sense. http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/hil/grafting.html. The pics down the page make it alot clearer. The text in this link is easier to understand but no pics. http://www.rdrop.com/~paul/graftingtips.html. Lots of grafting involved in vineyards and roses etc. I hope this helps.

s-k

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:35 pm

S-K,
Thanks for the link. This quote from the site explains a great deal:
Preparing the Stock and Scion. Cut off the stock using a diagonal cut. The cut should be four to five times longer than the diameter of the stock to be grafted. Make the same kind of cut at the base of the scion.
Next, place the blade of the knife across the cut end of the stock, halfway between the bark and pith (on the upper part of the cut surface). Use a single knife stroke to draw the blade down at an angle through the wood and pith. Stop at the base of the initial diagonal cut. This second cut must not follow the grain of the wood but should run parallel to the first cut.

That type of graft would require a very sharp knife & a sturdy knife. This explains why the my grafting knives are so heavy duty and have such fine edges on them.

My Grandfather ran an Orchard for about 30 years. He grew Walnuts, Filberts (Hazel Nuts) & Peaches. I remember him grafting, but I really didn't pay attention to the process. I do remember that the Walnut trees were Black Walnuts grafted onto English Walnut trunks as the English Walnut had a much better root system. The nut of the Black Walnut was much thinner shelled and easier to crack and had more "meat" in it.

I never appreciated the necessity of grafting when I was young. now I can appreciate it and admire the knives made for grafting.

Here is a Schrade Cut Co. I need to replace the handles, perhaps in ebony. Note the heavy brass pivot pin. This knife still snaps like a bear trap, especially considering that it is at least 60 years old. I am not 60 yet, and it has more snap than I have.

Dale

Hukk · Post by **Hukk** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:46 pm

I had to do a lot of grafting when I was a teenager, never knew the names of the parts until I went to college.
Around here they grafted English Walnut and French Walnut to Black Walnut (actually Claro Walnut), because the native Claro Walnut had a superior root system. The English Walnut had a shallow root system. Now a company that produces high end gunstocks (Calico Hardwods) purchases the Black Walnut stumps for a lot of money. I made about $3,000.00 per tree about 10 years ago. Sometimes, I got lucky and French Walnut was grafted onto Claro Walnut, BIG $$$$$.
We had a few tree poachers/rustlers a few years back (Yeah, you read that right), they would come onto private property and cut trees down while families were on vacation. Come home and the black walnut trees (Claro) were gone. Somtimes they just cut the stumps from live trees and left everything else on the ground. They got busted when trying to sell some Claro Walnut stumps to Calico Hardwoods in Windsor, Ca.

French Walnut and Claro Walnut are highly sought after for making gun stocks. Some of the high end blanks I saw were selling for over $1,000.00 for just a wood blank, just the milled wood blank.

BUT, some of them were the best looking wood I ever saw.

The Claro Walnut (Juglans hindsii) has small meat and is different than the Eastern Black Walnuts which have much larger meats. The nut of the Claro Walnut is mostly shell and hard, little meat compared to the other Black Walnut.

It was important to us to use the native Claro Walnut for the root system because we had a lot of hardpan soils. Some orchards were planted using up to 1/2 stick of dynamite per tree and some vineyards needed about 1/4 stick of dynamite per vine. FUN, watching an acre at a time. My grandpa had fun, sometimes he would blow the whole acre at once, other times they would quickly go one at a time. The purpose was to create a hole and break through the layer of hardpan.

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:51 am

Well Gang I can show you how I know how to do it..

The following pictures will hopefully give you an idea of how we do it in citrus, at least in Florida. Like everything else all folks tend to have their own unique approach to this..More than likely the blunt end of waynorth's knife is used in another type of budding method that I have not experienced..

We are doing our Peaches this way as well..Hey if it works.....

Sunburst