Guns & Gun Related Stuff

[garddogg56]

67RR beautiful

[1967redrider]

67RR beautiful

Thanks, gard.

[GSPTOPDOG]

My Mosin Nagant with a hex receiver* shoots pretty good for military surplus rifle.


*The Finnish Army, the Suomen Armeija, eventually marked its firearms and gear with an “SA” abbreviation.

[Modern Slip Joints]

[...] CZ Model 27 in 7.65 Browning [...] the safety is applied by raising a lever, and removed by pushing a button under the lever. [...]

I've never handled a CZ 27 but its safety was oddly familiar. I did get to fire a Mauser 1914 .32ACP. To set its safety you push down a lever in front of the grip then to fire it you push in a button below the lever. Similar? The Mauser's owner was one of only a few men I've met that reload .32ACP.

My Mosin Nagant with a hex receiver* shoots pretty good for military surplus rifle.


*The Finnish Army, the Suomen Armeija, eventually marked its firearms and gear with an “SA” abbreviation.

Your Musin brings back memories. Unfortunately not of harvesting numerous big game but of range bumming. Mine was not up graded by the Finnish. It was as the Zar issued it less all its blueing. It was $20 in 1987 give or take a year. I never fired a jacketed bullet through it, only bullets cast in an approxametly 185 grain Lee mold that also shot well in .303 SMLE, 7.7mm Jap and 7.65 Mausers. Three men each gave me one case and a fourth man loaned me a die set. I C clamped a press to the firing bench. Reloading my 3 cases my best 100 yard group was 10 shots in 2 inches. Not bad for open iron sights! I presume the Finns take a lot of moose. I hope you get a moose with yours.

[GSPTOPDOG]

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My Mosin Nagant with a hex receiver* shoots pretty good for military surplus rifle.

Reloading my 3 cases my best 100 yard group was 10 shots in 2 inches. Not bad for open iron sights! I presume the Finns take a lot of moose. I hope you get a moose with yours.

That was a great deal for $20!!! ... I remember seeing them when I was younger for about $70-$80 back in the 90's. That is very interesting about the cast lead bullets. I reloaded for mine years ago with some good results using .311" 180 gr. soft point copper jacketed bullets. I will say however that a 100-yard group of 10 shots in 2 inches, is really outstanding performance for a surplus rifle from. That is very good shooting.

[Modern Slip Joints]

[...] That was a great deal for $20!!! [...]

A little back ground on how I got my $20 Musin-Nagant seems appropriate. Importation of surplus military guns was outlawed by the Gun Control Act of 1968. With Ronald Regan in office that proabition was lifted in the mid 1980s. Consequently, the price of many surplus guns including Musin-Nagants dropped dramatically. While the collector who sold it to me lost his shirt on it it had zero finish. He'd just bought a variety of very good condition Musin-Nagants for about a quarter of what he'd paid for mine. The value of one with no finish was an unknown. Musin-Nagants were not in demand for sporterizing. What ever a store would have priced it at was not worth his time. I was a friend at the range and he wanted the space in his vault so he offered it to me for $20.

[OLDE CUTLER]

[...] CZ Model 27 in 7.65 Browning [...] the safety is applied by raising a lever, and removed by pushing a button under the lever. [...]

I've never handled a CZ 27 but its safety was oddly familiar. I did get to fire a Mauser 1914 .32ACP. To set its safety you push down a lever in front of the grip then to fire it you push in a button below the lever. Similar? The Mauser's owner was one of only a few men I've met that reload .32ACP.

My Mosin Nagant with a hex receiver* shoots pretty good for military surplus rifle.


*The Finnish Army, the Suomen Armeija, eventually marked its firearms and gear with an “SA” abbreviation.

Your Musin brings back memories. Unfortunately not of harvesting numerous big game but of range bumming. Mine was not up graded by the Finnish. It was as the Zar issued it less all its blueing. It was $20 in 1987 give or take a year. I never fired a jacketed bullet through it, only bullets cast in an approxametly 185 grain Lee mold that also shot well in .303 SMLE, 7.7mm Jap and 7.65 Mausers. Three men each gave me one case and a fourth man loaned me a die set. I C clamped a press to the firing bench. Reloading my 3 cases my best 100 yard group was 10 shots in 2 inches. Not bad for open iron sights! I presume the Finns take a lot of moose. I hope you get a moose with yours.

I reload 32 caliber revolver cartridges for 32 S&W long, 32 H&R mag, and 327 Federal mag, so I had components on hand to load the 32ACP. Got to have an accurate powder measure though, it only takes 2 grains of powder.

[doglegg]

[...] CZ Model 27 in 7.65 Browning [...] the safety is applied by raising a lever, and removed by pushing a button under the lever. [...]

I've never handled a CZ 27 but its safety was oddly familiar. I did get to fire a Mauser 1914 .32ACP. To set its safety you push down a lever in front of the grip then to fire it you push in a button below the lever. Similar? The Mauser's owner was one of only a few men I've met that reload .32ACP.

My Mosin Nagant with a hex receiver* shoots pretty good for military surplus rifle.


*The Finnish Army, the Suomen Armeija, eventually marked its firearms and gear with an “SA” abbreviation.

Your Musin brings back memories. Unfortunately not of harvesting numerous big game but of range bumming. Mine was not up graded by the Finnish. It was as the Zar issued it less all its blueing. It was $20 in 1987 give or take a year. I never fired a jacketed bullet through it, only bullets cast in an approxametly 185 grain Lee mold that also shot well in .303 SMLE, 7.7mm Jap and 7.65 Mausers. Three men each gave me one case and a fourth man loaned me a die set. I C clamped a press to the firing bench. Reloading my 3 cases my best 100 yard group was 10 shots in 2 inches. Not bad for open iron sights! I presume the Finns take a lot of moose. I hope you get a moose with yours.

I reload 32 caliber revolver cartridges for 32 S&W long, 32 H&R mag, and 327 Federal mag, so I had components on hand to load the 32ACP. Got to have an accurate powder measure though, it only takes 2 grains of powder.

32 S&W long is such a pleasant shooting cartridge. Used to shoot it out of a S&W model 16 for bullseye.

[1967redrider]

32 S&W long is such a pleasant shooting cartridge. Used to shoot it out of a S&W model 16 for bullseye.

I agree. I have one old H&R revolver and it's not too bad firing without hearing protection.

[OLDE CUTLER]

32 S&W long is such a pleasant shooting cartridge. Used to shoot it out of a S&W model 16 for bullseye.

I agree. I have one old H&R revolver and it's not too bad firing without hearing protection.

Now the 327 Federal Mag is another story. Shooting it in the Bond derringer with a 3 inch barrel is nasty, 45,000 psi in the palm of your hand.

[Boji]

327 Fed mag, my experiences Ruger LCR no thanks, Ruger SP101 OK, Ruger Blackhawk Fun!

[GSPTOPDOG]

32 S&W long is such a pleasant shooting cartridge. Used to shoot it out of a S&W model 16 for bullseye.

D.L. years ago, back in the olden times when I was a young'en I had picked up a small frame S&W in 32 S&W long for almost nothing and due to the unavailability of factory ammo, I ended up selling it for a song..... ..... of course I could have simply got reloading dies for it and that would have solved the problem ....

[GSPTOPDOG]

[...] That was a great deal for $20!!! [...]

A little back ground on how I got my $20 Musin-Nagant ... What ever a store would have priced it at was not worth his time. I was a friend at the range and he wanted the space in his vault so he offered it to me for $20.

Great deal and great back story ... ... As they say; "TIMEING IS EVERYTHING"

[Modern Slip Joints]

Unless you count my long ago departed 8 mm Remington Magnum I have not yet reloaded any .32 cartridges that have magnum in their name. I have reloaded for adjustable sighted S&W K frame .32s, a .32-20 and a .32 S&W Long. The .32-20 was a scarce pre-WW II M&P Target. I loved it.

Correctly reloaded, .32 ACP, the cartridge that drifted this thread into .32 handguns, uses a smaller diameter bullet than the .32 revolvers that have been discussed. There were a lot of different .32 ACP pistols made through WW II. Many of them were very affordable 40 years ago. I have a pistol and a die set both bought because, to paraphrase GSPTODOG, the timing was right. Some how I have not gotten around to assembling cartridges.

Just because he could not walk past dirt cheap reloading components, when Pay-Less Drug Store closed their gun depaqrtment a friend bought all their .25 ACP bullets and virgin brass. We used to tease him telling him counting individual flakes of 800X would be faster than wieghing every charge on a balance beam scale. That and he should have a .25 ACP barrel made for a Thompson Center Contender. The cheap vest pocket pistol he bought to fire his bullets through was not an outstanding target gun.

[GSPTOPDOG]

Unless you count my long ago departed 8 mm Remington Magnum I have not yet reloaded any .32 cartridges that have magnum in their name. I have reloaded for adjustable sighted S&W K frame .32s, a .32-20 and a .32 S&W Long. The .32-20 was a scarce pre-WW II M&P Target. I loved it.

I was always wanting a lever action in .32-20 .... if I could find one, (Winchester? ) I think they were around back in the olden days. It seems like a great 'lill cartridge for a lever action.

[RedRaiderRick]

I decided to see if I could make my Russian Mosin shoot better than 5moa so I replaced the trigger, added a scout scope mounted on a no drill mount, and then worked up an accurate load with 150gr bullets. It will reliably shoot 1.25moa now. Real pleasure to shoot. So I stripped the ugly orange stain off the stock, and painted it and the metal parts. Love that gun now.

[Modern Slip Joints]

I was always wanting a lever action in .32-20 .... if I could find one, (Winchester? ) I think they were around back in the olden days. It seems like a great 'lill cartridge for a lever action.

There were lots of Winchester Model 1873 and 1892 rifles made in .32-20. Before WW-II Marlin also made lots of lever action .32-20s. The trouble is rifles that old in very good condition are expensive. Marlin's modern lever action for pistol cartridges is their Model 1894. During the 1990s Marlin made a Model 1894 Classic in .25-20 and .32-20. They might be easier to hunt down, they eject out of the side and they are drilled and tapped for scopes. The Classic models did not have miccro-groove rifling. They had convential rifling for lead bullets.

[Modern Slip Joints]

[...] my Russian Mosin [...] added a scout scope [...]

I love old surplus bolt actions that still have all their original wood but have added reciever sights or scopes. While that makes me a lousy collector and ruiner of collector rifles it makes the rifles usable for hunting and a lot more accurate target shooting.

[RedRaiderRick]

[...] my Russian Mosin [...] added a scout scope [...]

I love old surplus bolt actions that still have all their original wood but have added reciever sights or scopes. While that makes me a lousy collector and ruiner of collector rifles it makes the rifles usable for hunting and a lot more accurate target shooting.

Yep me too. Had a well used Swiss K31 witha stock that was pretty chewed up. I refinished the stock with hand-rubbed Lin seed oil, added a no drill mount and scope, and a bolt-on muzzle break. Bought the 7.5 Swiss dies and worked up a load with 175gr SMKs. Shoots great.

[Modern Slip Joints]

[...] Swiss K31 [...] added a no drill mount and scope, and a bolt-on muzzle break. Bought the 7.5 Swiss dies and worked up a load with 175gr SMKs. Shoots great.

Schmidt Rubins are near and dear to my heart. Before the wave of K-31s washed ashore I owned about a dozen of the earlier models. Leaving their 30.7 inch barrels and wood intact I took mule deer and competed in long range matches with Model 1911s. The rifle for matches got a Redfield reciever sight with target knobs, a Merrit adjustable aperture and a new front sight. I used it deer hunting before having a 3X Leupold installed on the other in a custom side mount. I also had a big chunk of wallnut dowled and glued on for a cheek rest. I could still use its original GI sights and, with the scope rotated 90 degrees to get the turret out of the way, stripper clips. At least one distributer or importer shortened the wood and barrels on 1911s, set the barrels back and rechambered them to .308. During the 1980s and 90s they sold for $40 with or without added receiver sights that sold seperately for over half that. I'd bet you didn't know 1989 Schmidt Rubins feed .30-30 Win. through their 12 round box magazines with no alteration to the magazine or feed ramp. Now you know. Of couse the barrel has to be replaced with one with an approx. .308" groove dia. then the chamber reamed to .30-30 Win. .30-30 Win pressure matches the pressure of the 1889's original 7.35x53.5 mm cartridge. That's not a typo. All U.S. reloading manuals do not acknowledge that, like the German Army's Mausers, when the Swiss modernized from round nose to spitzer bullets they changed to a different cartridge.

So I do not bore you I'll write good night.

[GSPTOPDOG]

There were lots of Winchester Model 1873 and 1892 rifles made in .32-20. Before WW-II Marlin also made lots of lever action .32-20s. The trouble is rifles that old in very good condition are expensive. Marlin's modern lever action for pistol cartridges is their Model 1894. During the 1990s Marlin made a Model 1894 Classic in .25-20 and .32-20... The Classic models did not have miccro-groove rifling. They had convential rifling for lead bullets.

I would like to find a non-collector grade Winchester Model 1873 or 1892 rifle made in .32-20... But.... I don't think I will find one anytime soon.
I had a Marlin in .44 mag with the micro-groove rifling and I used to reload and shoot lead .44 bullets for a .44 pistol, man oh man that micro-groove rifling did NOT work on lead bullets at all. I wish they had made it with conventional rifling back then.

[GSPTOPDOG]

[...] Swiss K31 [...] added a no drill mount and scope, and a bolt-on muzzle break. Bought the 7.5 Swiss dies and worked up a load with 175gr SMKs. Shoots great.

Schmidt Rubins are near and dear to my heart. Before the wave of K-31s washed ashore I owned about a dozen of the earlier models...

I really like the Swiss K31 especially shooting GP 11 ammo through it. The tightest group I ever shot with iron sights at 100 yards was with a Swiss K31, 3 shots into about 0.12 inch. Might have just luck... because that was the 1st time I ever shot it and I had taken it out to the range to check the sights and see how it would shoot a group. I found out that it was a pretty good shooter .

*The GP 11 (Gewehrpatrone 11) is a 7.5×55mm Swiss cartridge known for its exceptional accuracy and performance, primarily used in Swiss military rifles.
Development: The GP 11 cartridge was developed in 1911 as an upgrade to earlier Swiss military cartridges. It was designed for use in the Schmidt-Rubin series of rifles, including the Model 1911 and the K31.

[RedRaiderRick]

[...] Swiss K31 [...] added a no drill mount and scope, and a bolt-on muzzle break. Bought the 7.5 Swiss dies and worked up a load with 175gr SMKs. Shoots great.

Schmidt Rubins are near and dear to my heart. Before the wave of K-31s washed ashore I owned about a dozen of the earlier models...

I really like the Swiss K31 especially shooting GP 11 ammo through it. The tightest group I ever shot with iron sights at 100 yards was with a Swiss K31, 3 shots into about 0.12 inch. Might have just luck... because that was the 1st time I ever shot it and I had taken it out to the range to check the sights and see how it would shoot a group. I found out that it was a pretty good shooter .

*The GP 11 (Gewehrpatrone 11) is a 7.5×55mm Swiss cartridge known for its exceptional accuracy and performance, primarily used in Swiss military rifles.
Development: The GP 11 cartridge was developed in 1911 as an upgrade to earlier Swiss military cartridges. It was designed for use in the Schmidt-Rubin series of rifles, including the Model 1911 and the K31.

It's been years since I gave up looking for GP11 because it seemed to be extinct.

[Modern Slip Joints]

Don't you reload? The only 7.5x55mm factory cartridges I ever fired in my Schmidt Rubins were a few Norma hunting cartridges. I always slugged my rifle barrels to learn their groove diameters. While the book groove dia. for 7.5x55mm is .307", every Schmidt Rubin barrel I've shot measured .308", our ideal for .30 caliber rifles. I liked, or maybe I should write my rifles liked, Hornady 150 grain spire points for deer and Sierra 168 grain boat tail spitzers for matches. Most any .308" jacketed bullet shoots well. It is easy to get Schmidt Rubins to shoot home cast lead bullets accurately.

If one of the big powder companies ever publishes 7.5x55mm data only for K 31s then we'd see some higher velositys. The data in existing manuals could not possibly damage a K 31.

By the way, .284 Winchester brass is usable. You only have to full length resize it. While the .284 Winchester's .30-06 diameter rebated rim is not ideal, in use most owners do not experience any jams. The extractor losing its grip on the rim before the ejector flips the case out only happens in a minority of Schmidt Rubins and is not noticable firing them off a bench and transfering the brass by hand from the rifle to your brass box. It is only noticable in rapid or timed fire and only occurs in a small percentage of rifles. That was my experience with 1911 rifles. I have no reason to believe K 31s would be any different.

[OLDE CUTLER]

There were lots of Winchester Model 1873 and 1892 rifles made in .32-20. Before WW-II Marlin also made lots of lever action .32-20s. The trouble is rifles that old in very good condition are expensive. Marlin's modern lever action for pistol cartridges is their Model 1894. During the 1990s Marlin made a Model 1894 Classic in .25-20 and .32-20... The Classic models did not have miccro-groove rifling. They had convential rifling for lead bullets.

I would like to find a non-collector grade Winchester Model 1873 or 1892 rifle made in .32-20... But.... I don't think I will find one anytime soon.
I had a Marlin in .44 mag with the micro-groove rifling and I used to reload and shoot lead .44 bullets for a .44 pistol, man oh man that micro-groove rifling did NOT work on lead bullets at all. I wish they had made it with conventional rifling back then.

I had a Marlin lever action chambered for the 444 Marlin, and it was the same thing, wouldn't shoot cast bullets. The Microgroove went away in favor of Ballard type rifling when Cowboy shooting became popular.