eBay is great entertainment!

[Mumbleypeg]

Here’s a good one to learn from. https://www.ebay.com/itm/166745349746?_ ... p_homepage. Sellers description says “ 1920's CASE TESTED XX 2 BLADE VERY NICE AND TIGHT VINTAGE KNIFE”. Then if you read the sellers description he says it’s a “parts knife”.

Who wants to take a crack at what’s wrong with it? (The possibilities are near endless. The description is fair game too.)

Ken

[OLDE CUTLER]

The jigging cuts go across the handle pins. Looks kind of weird. Shield is also very worn and looks out of place.

[1967redrider]

Is this a Boker frame?

[orvet]

Here’s a good one to learn from. https://www.ebay.com/itm/166745349746?_ ... p_homepage. Sellers description says “ 1920's CASE TESTED XX 2 BLADE VERY NICE AND TIGHT VINTAGE KNIFE”. Then if you read the sellers description he says it’s a “parts knife”.

Who wants to take a crack at what’s wrong with it? (The possibilities are near endless. The description is fair game too.)

Ken
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Well, I am no Case expert, but that wouldn't tempt me even though I like jigged bone. I don't like a small canoe shape and that color is just to puke for!


I have bought a lot of parts knives, but never one that was $265!!

[Sharpnshinyknives]

Looks more like a Fight N Rooster frame to me. That’s what came to mind immediately when I saw it.

[ea42]

OK I'll give it a shot. Forgive any mistakes I make as I'm about as far from a Case expert as you can get. I'll base this on the knives from the Case Brothers period since that's what's stamped on there:

Bolsters are completely wrong for the period Case canoe.

Wrong shield for this pattern. They did use a wedge type shield on some of their knives but it in no way looked like this one, especially with those little "ears". They also didn't have "CASE" in the shields.

Wrong bone

Wrong pull on the spear

Wrong tang on the pen

The tang stamps are a joke

Overall look and components of a modern knife

Eric

[Mumbleypeg]

Everyone has hit on something, although I’m not sure if it was once a Böker or not. The most obvious thing that jumped out at me is that at no time did Case Brothers ever use a shield having the Case name on it. That was a W.R. Case cutlery “Innovation”. Many people don’t know Case Brothers and W.R. Case were two separate and competing companies, although they were both owned by Case family members.

The jigging is another obvious (to me anyway) tell. It’s modern (not sure exactly but maybe 1990s) and certainly unlike any early 1900s jigging I’ve seen. The color is also modern. The frame/bolsters are wrong for a Case Brothers canoe pattern, as Eric points out. The inletting of the bone around the shield is atrocious, unlike any Case factory-produced work. And then there’s the stamp - which doesn’t look like any old authentic Case Brothers stamp. Eric rightly described it “a joke”. It looks like a modern-made knife (because it is), not a 100+ year old knife.

The auction title says “1920's CASE TESTED XX 2 BLADE VERY NICE AND TIGHT VINTAGE KNIFE”. Well, it is 2 blade, and may be very nice and tight, but the knife is stamped Case Brothers, not CASE TESTED XX. Maybe the seller doesn’t know the difference. Case Brothers went bankrupt in 1915, so even if it was a legitimate stamp it couldn’t be a 1920’s knife as the description says. Maybe “CASE TESTED XX” is the keyword search “bait” thrown out to get more “hits”?

In summary it’s a modern knife that someone has re-stamped with a Case Brothers Little Valley stamp, and cobbled an arrowhead shield onto the mark side cover.

Ken

[bighomer]

Didn't Parker have some of these made with case brothers stamps.

[RalphAlsip]

The knife being discussed is an atrocious facsimile, and that is being generous. It looks more like a modern butterbean pattern to me than an old Canoe pattern _2131.

My comment is going to focus on bolsters. The canoe (131 pattern) and the gunboat canoe (94X) patterns have extended bolsters. The "X" in the pattern number 94X signifies extended bolster. The reason the canoe 131 does not have an "X" is because the Canoe pattern is made only with this type of bolster whereas the the 94 was made on a Cigar frame as well as the canoe looking frame.

The attached image shows a difference in how the extended bolsters were designed and implemented between Case Bros and W.R. Case & Sons. The bolsters on the knife in question don't match to either one of these designs.

[bestgear]

Who wants to take a crack at what’s wrong with it?

if it shows up in AAPK’s General Knife Related Forms > Counterfeit Watch it’s almost 100% of the time wrong - those are good enough odds for me

[Mumbleypeg]

Didn't Parker have some of these made with case brothers stamps.

Case made those several years ago as part of their “Family Brands” promotion. The knife in your picture is one of those. To my knowledge none of those were stamped “Little Valley” like the eBay example.

Ken

[bighomer]

Thanks Ken, I was by no means implying the op was legit. If all yawl say it's wrong I take it to the bank. In the dark recesses of my brain I remembered that I'd bought that knife about a year ago and was wanting confirmation that it is okay.

[winst]

This knife is more in line with the butterbean frame is my observation.

[QGofLake]

I had an encounter with this particular seller on Ebay. He certainly is very active and all over the place on Ebay when it comes to vintage knives. If it is not a faux pas and should anyone want to hear it, will tell the story. Can't promise to be short as I can be a little verbose sometimes.

[tvic]

Well, it sold for a “best offer.” Wonder what it was?

[1967redrider]

Well, it sold for a “best offer.” Wonder what it was?

50 cents to throw it in the river, hopefully.

[Gtrclktr-351]

Looks more like a Fight N Rooster frame to me. That’s what came to mind immediately when I saw it.

It may have a little too much "bow" in the backspring. I believe Fight'n Rooster canoes had a little flatter bottom. To me, and I am far from an expert, this looks to be built on a Parker-Frost canoe frame. As much as I like the pattern, I would not have "fallen" for this one.

[Gtrclktr-351]

Etsy may be as "entertaining" as eBay.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1173087385 ... -1-1&pro=1

[OLDE CUTLER]

Etsy may be as "entertaining" as eBay.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1173087385 ... -1-1&pro=1

Hey, it's 65% off. I figure I can't afford not to buy it. lol

[1967redrider]

This trench knife made my eyes hurt- https://www.etsy.com/listing/1556277309 ... lpha-males

$3,868.13 cheaper than the one OC is picking up.

[Sharpnshinyknives]

That trench knife screams Pakistan. Why does the description say folding knife? Where is the COO on Etsy products?

[1967redrider]

If anyone likes this one, I have one I'll sell for $300 that I picked up at the Shenandoah show for about $35 that's in better shape.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/197109119524