Guns & Gun Related Stuff

[zp4ja]

Thanks
The .357 has eaten both. Mainly .38 with no signs whatsoever.

The old DB obviously can only shoot .38. No gouge in it. More like powder line. No observation of actually cutting into frame. Phyton shows no gas cutting whatsoever.

Jerry

[MadeinUSA]

Show us your birth year guns…!

I have several older ones, but only one birth year gun… this old LLama .22lr

[ken98k]

Wow, that would depend on several things. Like I said, when I had a gun that had some flame cutting, I shot light cast bullet loads in it without any issues. If you shot 38 Spl loads in a 357 gun, you are shooting 1/2 the pressure. But if the gun has gas cutting of the top strap that is noticeable, it would be best to just retire it.

Can they be welded and re-machined?

[OLDE CUTLER]

Wow, that would depend on several things. Like I said, when I had a gun that had some flame cutting, I shot light cast bullet loads in it without any issues. If you shot 38 Spl loads in a 357 gun, you are shooting 1/2 the pressure. But if the gun has gas cutting of the top strap that is noticeable, it would be best to just retire it.

Can they be welded and re-machined?

That would be a very bad idea to weld a heat treated gun frame. Cost prohibitive too I would think.

[ken98k]

Wow, that would depend on several things. Like I said, when I had a gun that had some flame cutting, I shot light cast bullet loads in it without any issues. If you shot 38 Spl loads in a 357 gun, you are shooting 1/2 the pressure. But if the gun has gas cutting of the top strap that is noticeable, it would be best to just retire it.

Can they be welded and re-machined?

That would be a very bad idea to weld a heat treated gun frame. Cost prohibitive too I would think.

I've never done any pistol restorations but, it goes without saying the frame would need to be re-heat treated after tig welding and machining.
This is commonly done with rifles, Mauser 98's in particular.

[GSPTOPDOG]

.... ...Uhuummm ... Aren't all of these guns responsible for all of these mass shooting?

[Samb]

People are responsible for mass shootings!

[garddogg56]

Yup

[GSPTOPDOG]

People are responsible for mass shootings!

Oops! Sorry 'bout that ... I thought for a second there, that I was still living in California and still a registered Democrat... ... ...

[Samb]

You might be surprised but it's to late now.

I don't know if you are old enough to remember silhouette shooting back in the late 1970s early 1980s. The Python I had was an old silhouette gun and it like most other revolvers used for that sport were abused to death. The program was metal animal targets shot at 50, 100, 150, and 200 meters. The 200 meter rams were the tough ones and you not only had to hit them, they had to be tipped over. Competitors loaded their own pet loads for their guns to what had to be drastic over pressures in an effort to get max impact on the rams. Most people who shot regularly consumed a lot of ammo and a lot of guns. The gunclub I belonged to had matches and I used to go out and just spectate as that sport was beyond my finances. Once a revolver had 1 or 2 thousand rounds thru it, it was junk, even if it hadn't been blown up. The max loads of 2400 powder used in the magnums back then would gas cut the top strap of a revolver just above the barrel cylinder gap. That would weaken the frame until it was no longer safe to shoot. Even today if you go to gunshows you will see old 357 and 44 mag revolvers that have been shot a lot that show gas cutting of the frame. The Python I had showed a moderate amount of gas cutting, and was somewhat loose. I think I paid $150 for it and shot light loads in it for the few years I had it. It wouldn't be worth anything like they are getting for nice collectable Pythons today that are in like new condition.

My opinion they are the best looking handgun made, a real work of art. Freind of mine has one that was given to him and he won't part with it. I offered him $3000 for it a few years ago when he had an operation and was on sick leave. He said he would rather starve before he sold that gun. I don't blame him!

[zp4ja]

Hey Sam. No doubt they are a fine firearm in looks and performance. They call the older 60' to 70' Colt Snakes Series revolvers, "The Rolls Royce of Revolvers". Opinions vary and I respect everyones preference in manufacturer, model, for whatever the reason might be. Me, slide guns are only SIG SAUER. Tried others, just my preference.

Point being, good looking, of value, does feel like a perfect fit, versus SAFE to shoot are polar opposites. If I had a revolver, any gun that might explode in my face or hand, it's gone. Destroyed, wall hanger, what is appropriate.
Olde Cutler sounds pretty knowledgeable to me. I think he did the right thing. I pulled out my 3 Snakes to take a look after what he posted. Never heard of gas cutting...

[Paladin]

,,,,,, Never heard of gas cutting...

Me too! And I thought I knew a thing or two about revolvers.

Ray

[OLDE CUTLER]

I was at a gunshow in Rapid City SD this weekend and saw a Ruger Blackhawk SRM 357 Max that looked in great shape, but upon looking at it closely with a flashlight at the area just above the barrel cylinder gap it did indeed have a little flame cutting of the topstrap. I could also feel it a bit with the tip of the pocket knife blade (I asked the owner if I could do this). It had great bluing and was tight, but that model was known for the problem. Owner was asking $1075.

[MadeinUSA]

Curio and Relics license strikes again!

Just won the auction for this Colt Police Positive .38 spl circa 1912… should be at my front door in a couple of days!

Here’s the details from the seller (someone from whom I’ve purchased before and trust)

- This Colt has a fair amount of blue wear on the cylinder and particularly at the muzzle. The usual places where you see wear, the front and back of the grip frame and trigger guard show very little wear at all. I'm guessing it was carried a lot and fired very little. There is very little signs of use on the recoil shield. It is mechanically excellent. It indexes perfectly and locks up tight and in time on every chamber. The bore and chambers are excellent as well. Too bad about the Franzite grips but that's what they did back in the day. According to Colt's site this was made in 1912 so it is ok for C&R.

[zp4ja]

Wow Jim. That is sweet
Old Colts get my blood going. No expert but never heard of that handle material.
What is C&R? (Answered from Sam's reply below. Thanks Sam).

Safe to assume still able to fire safely if condition allows? Or does C&R designation normally rule that out even if safe to fire? Your reference in regards to year made make ne think C&R involves some sort of legality as well if I am not totally off base.

Nice pickup. Jerry.

Edit to correct name. Apologies.

[Samb]

Curio and relic.

[Dan In MI]

Good score!

[MadeinUSA]

Wow Jim. That is sweet
Old Colts get my blood going. No expert but never heard of that handle material.
What is C&R? (Answered from Sam's reply below. Thanks Sam).

Safe to assume still able to fire safely if condition allows? Or does C&R designation normally rule that out even if safe to fire? Your reference in regards to year made make ne think C&R involves some sort of legality as well if I am not totally off base.

Nice pickup. Jerry.

Edit to correct name. Apologies.

A ‘Type 03 - Collector of Curios and Relics Federal Firearms License’ costs $30 every three years. It’s a fairly easy application process to obtain one (assuming you pass the required background check).

It allows the license holder to purchase virtually any gun 50 years or older (and also other guns on the ATF’s C&R list) and have them shipped directly to their home.

Why do I have the license? Without the C&R license, firearms must be sent to a Local Gun Dealer near me. I save the cost of the transfer fee (that my Local Gun Dealer charges) if I were to have a gun sent to them, the dealer, to transfer to me. Those fees can be $30 - $50 and up, per gun… depending on where you live.

All the guns I buy using my C&R license are working and made to shoot!

As you would expect, almost all guns made before 1973 (50yrs and older) are still fully functional. Like with all firearms, one has to ensure ANY purchased firearm (regardless of age) is safe to use and shoot.

[zp4ja]

Thanks Jim for the explanation. Truly, was not aware of what was involved.

Yes, all old items were made to last year's ago. Now everything is disposable. I'll just buy a new one. Cater to current mindset in most cases, in these times..Huge fan of all things old, especially tools, guns, knives, architecture, etc..

Thanks for the info.

Jerry

[MadeinUSA]

Thanks Jim for the explanation. Truly, was not aware of what was involved.

Yes, all old items were made to last year's ago. Now everything is disposable. I'll just buy a new one. Cater to current mindset in most cases, in these times..Huge fan of all things old, especially tools, guns, knives, architecture, etc..

Thanks for the info.

Jerry

Here’s a unique one… a bit pricey… but Henry started making revolvers!

https://www.americanhunter.org/content/ ... -revolver/

[1967redrider]

Here's a little public service announcement - according to Federal law, you cannot possess both a medical marijuana card and purchase, possess or control a firearm. Check out these BATF and US Code sections for more info-

18 USC §922(g)(3)
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req ... on:prelim)

and

27 CFR §478.32(a)(3)
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR ... 478-32.pdf

Pictures added. I know there's a question about this on the Federal form for firearm purchases. Something to think about before you go blazin' off into the sunset.

[OLDE CUTLER]

These are all questions of the Federal 4473 form and have been in effect for many years. If you are a user, you have 2 choices when buying a gun. If you answer that you are a marijuana user, then no sale to you. If you lie and say you are not a user, then you are perjuring yourself on a federal form. I have read about a fellow that had just bought a gun and on the way home he was in a car accident. When the police were present and investigating the accident, an officer was checking his ID and gathering information on the accident. The officer saw the gun in his car and his marijuana card in his wallet and arrested him. He had committed perjury to buy the gun. I would say big trouble for him. The gun shop that I most often visit has had several potential buyers that were refused a sale over this issue. Also the gun shop I mentioned has recently put up a sign by the front door saying that if you are high, drunk, or a felon it is illegal for you to even enter the shop.

[1967redrider]

These are all questions of the Federal 4473 form and have been in effect for many years. If you are a user, you have 2 choices when buying a gun. If you answer that you are a marijuana user, then no sale to you. If you lie and say you are not a user, then you are perjuring yourself on a federal form. I have read about a fellow that had just bought a gun and on the way home he was in a car accident. When the police were present and investigating the accident, an officer was checking his ID and gathering information on the accident. The officer saw the gun in his car and his marijuana card in his wallet and arrested him. He had committed perjury to buy the gun. I would say big trouble for him. The gun shop that I most often visit has had several potential buyers that were refused a sale over this issue. Also the gun shop I mentioned has recently put up a sign by the front door saying that if you are high, drunk, or a felon it is illegal for you to even enter the shop.

I was just thinking the same scenario, O.C.- someone gets pulled over for speeding and mistakenly hands the officer their concealed carry and marijuana cards.

[MadeinUSA]

Here's a little public service announcement - according to Federal law, you cannot possess both a medical marijuana card and purchase, possess or control a firearm. Check out these BATF and US Code sections for more info-

18 USC §922(g)(3)
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req ... on:prelim)

and

27 CFR §478.32(a)(3)
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR ... 478-32.pdf

Pictures added. I know there's a question about this on the Federal form for firearm purchases. Something to think about before you go blazin' off into the sunset.

“… according to Federal law, you cannot possess both a medical marijuana card and purchase, possess or control a firearm.…”

unless you are a Biden

[MadeinUSA]

It arrived last night at 5:00 at the front door

New-to-me but made the year the Titanic sunk

Off to the range to give it a workout soon! I have a batch of powderpuff loaded (cowboy load) coated .38spl (I buy from Choice Ammunition in Montana)… which I use for target shooting