Guns & Gun Related Stuff

[1967redrider]

My shotgun is loaded with #4 shot for use both indoors and outdoors.

Recent FBI tests concluded that quality 9mm. is as effective as .45. The 9mm. duplicates the wound channel of the .45 and they could not distinguish one wound channel from the other. Real life shootings apparently confirm the lab studies. Again, the tests were with best quality 9mm.

Good to know, thanks QS! I'm a fan of both 1911 .45s and have a few 9mms, so it's good to know it doesn't matter which one I grab if the s.h.t.f.

[Maddogfl]

Normally 00 Buckshot is recommended for home defense and #4 for varmints. I believe that gun can shoot either 2 3/4 or 3 inch shells.

Ditto that. In fact #4 makes for pretty fair use on any varmint, including the “home defense” type.

Ken

At close range, I don't think that the shot size matters much. At three of four yards, it is all still effectively a solid mass of lead and plastic. That said, my bedside 870 shorty with extended magazine is loaded with 00B, just because.

[Quick Steel]

That is an important point. Many people do not understand that it takes time and distance for the shot to spread and open out. In a house it is always best to aim the shotgun with some precision.

[OLDE CUTLER]

I used up the last of these Russian made primers I had and am almost sure this is something we won't see in this country again. I bought a brick at a gunshow last winter because that was all one could find at the time. Never had any problem with any of them, they all have gone BANG just like any other brand. Speaking of foreign primers, I am wondering how those of you that are trapshooters are doing in finding components? One of the stores here had no 209 type primers for a long time, then got in some Cheddite shotgun primers that are made in France. Some people bought them not knowing that they are a slightly bigger metric size that will actually load into American cases that normally use 209 primers. But being slightly bigger they stretch the primer pocket in the shell casing and from that point on, one can only use those metric sizes. One local guy bought the Cheddite, loaded some new hulls that he had bought with them. He later found some Winchester 209 and tried to load them in the same casings and the primer would fall out once the loaded case came out of the press. Not a happy camper.

[Mumbleypeg]

Normally 00 Buckshot is recommended for home defense and #4 for varmints. I believe that gun can shoot either 2 3/4 or 3 inch shells.

Ditto that. In fact #4 makes for pretty fair use on any varmint, including the “home defense” type.

Ken

At close range, I don't think that the shot size matters much. At three of four yards, it is all still effectively a solid mass of lead and plastic. That said, my bedside 870 shorty with extended magazine is loaded with 00B, just because.

“Close range” or not, if you see the result of an armadillo, raccoon, skunk or other varmint hit with #4 shot at even 10 - 15 yards, you’ll be a believer. At longer ranges some of that is related to the shotgun (choke size). Of course as Colonel Wade says, whatever you hit with #4 shot is gonna have a really bad day.

Ken

[Maddogfl]

Ditto that. In fact #4 makes for pretty fair use on any varmint, including the “home defense” type.

Ken

At close range, I don't think that the shot size matters much. At three of four yards, it is all still effectively a solid mass of lead and plastic. That said, my bedside 870 shorty with extended magazine is loaded with 00B, just because.

“Close range” or not, if you see the result of an armadillo, raccoon, skunk or other varmint hit with #4 shot at even 10 - 15 yards, you’ll be a believer. At longer ranges some of that is related to the shotgun (choke size). Of course as Colonel Wade says, whatever you hit with #4 shot is gonna have a really bad day.

Ken

I wouldn't want to be hit with #8 at 50 yards.

[Colonel26]

So just to put it in perspective…. 00 buck is roughly, not quite but almost, the size of a 9mm bullet. Firing 9 of those in the house simultaneously…. Just something to think about. Who’s on the other side of that wall? YMMV, but I’ll stick with 4 shot.

Now outside, let ‘er rip tater chip!

[Maddogfl]

So just to put it in perspective…. 00 buck is roughly, not quite but almost, the size of a 9mm bullet. Firing 9 of those in the house simultaneously…. Just something to think about. Who’s on the other side of that wall? YMMV, but I’ll stick with 4 shot.

Now outside, let ‘er rip tater chip!

That is not an issue if the only other person in the house is in bed with you.

I live way out in the sticks in a poor county with and underfunded Sheriff's department that has two deputies on duty after midnight to cover the entire county. (550 square miles) The county has the second highest crime rate in the state in the second highest crime state, (drugs). I was once a firearms instructor and my wife has been through law enforcement training so we are both proficient in handling firearms. I have more than plenty of a large variety of firearms at my fingertips and I still believe that my best first line of defense is my 75 pound dog. She can hear a gnat fart and alerts to any strange situations giving the precious seconds needed to prepare a problem. She spends most of her day on the bed in my office, looking out the window and spends the night in my bedroom. The only time she puts out false alarms is when she spies deer. She sees deer, and to a lesser degree, squirrels, as a clear and present danger. She whines after squirrels and barks like hell at deer. Dogs are man's best friend.

I have set up a dedicated private shooting range on my place and I shoot often. The word gets around and I have not had a single issue in 25 years on the place.

[Boji]

/\. My 65 lb dog is exactly like that, my signature line says it all. She is 13 and shows no signs of slowing down but I know that day will come sooner than I want.

[Colonel26]

Maddogfl, your plan sounds good. I too live in the sticks, with far too many dogs I might add. We shoot out in the back field too, and thus far have been left alone as well.

We’ll, we used to shoot a lot. These days I just stockpile what ammo I can get hold of.

[1967redrider]

Maddogfl, your plan sounds good. I too live in the sticks, with far too many dogs I might add. We shoot out in the back field too, and thus far have been left alone as well.

We’ll, we used to shoot a lot. These days I just stockpile what ammo I can get hold of.

I can relate to that, Colonel. I prefer shooting outdoors as opposed to an indoor range. The scarcity of ammo and inflated price has put a damper on my lead slinging.

[Boji]

I have a membership at a decent indoor range. But I do like to shoot outdoors when the weather is nice.
Wednesday it was cold and rainy here so my son, his GF, and myself spent the afternoon at the indoor range. Fortunately I have a good stockpile of most ammo.
The handguns that we exercised were:
Smith & Wesson M&P compact 9mm
H&K USP 40
Ruger American 9mm
Smith & Wesson 66-1 38/357. 4 in
Smith & Wesson 66 no dash 2 1/2in
Springfield 911 .380
Ruger Mark II. 22LR
Smith & Wesson 360j Airweight .38 spl
Smith & Wesson M&P 38 spl made in 1911. It might not be pretty but still shoots great.
Great family time!

[Maddogfl]

I have a membership at a decent indoor range. But I do like to shoot outdoors when the weather is nice.
Wednesday it was cold and rainy here so my son, his GF, and myself spent the afternoon at the indoor range. Fortunately I have a good stockpile of most ammo.
The handguns that we exercised were:
Smith & Wesson M&P compact 9mm
H&K USP 40
Ruger American 9mm
Smith & Wesson 66-1 38/357. 4 in
Smith & Wesson 66 no dash 2 1/2in
Springfield 911 .380
Ruger Mark II. 22LR
Smith & Wesson 360j Airweight .38 spl
Smith & Wesson M&P 38 spl made in 1911. It might not be pretty but still shoots great.
Great family time!

[Maddogfl]

I have a membership at a decent indoor range. But I do like to shoot outdoors when the weather is nice.
Wednesday it was cold and rainy here so my son, his GF, and myself spent the afternoon at the indoor range. Fortunately I have a good stockpile of most ammo.
The handguns that we exercised were:
Smith & Wesson M&P compact 9mm
H&K USP 40
Ruger American 9mm
Smith & Wesson 66-1 38/357. 4 in
Smith & Wesson 66 no dash 2 1/2in
Springfield 911 .380
Ruger Mark II. 22LR
Smith & Wesson 360j Airweight .38 spl
Smith & Wesson M&P 38 spl made in 1911. It might not be pretty but still shoots great.
Great family time!

That sounds like the menu when my son and I shoot. It expands if my brother and his son join us. One one of those outings, my son offered me a great deal on a Smith 44 mag revolver. (I wondered why he was willing to part with it) Well, I really thought I needed a big bore, so I jumped all over it. I found out that my shooting abilities deteriorate rapidly when I turn my head, close my eyes and grit my teeth while holding piece as far as possible in front of me while pulling the trigger. I am an old man, so, that is my excuse and I am sticking to it. In a hundred years, when this piece comes to market, some prospective buyer will wonder why it is still so nice.

I haven't shot in an indoor range since I left Miami about 30 years ago, and I don't miss it. Some years ago I rented a backhoe and cleared me a path 150 yards long through the woods and built a mound. One day, some large mining outfit will buy this place for a lead mine. The ammo situation has certainly cramped my style, but after living through the first ammo shortage 20 years or so ago, I stashed back a supply when it returned. It doesn't do me a hell of a lot of good because I do not want to expend it, so I am shooting a lot less.

[Maddogfl]

/\. My 65 lb dog is exactly like that, my signature line says it all. She is 13 and shows no signs of slowing down but I know that day will come sooner than I want.

After hurricane Andrew, I moved to Miami for three years to help rebuild the place. I lived in a decent middle class neighborhood. At that time Miami must have been the burglary capital of the galaxy. It was so bad, that someone stole a cop car in the neighborhood, and the guy across the street had the inboard/outboard motor stolen from his boat while he slept 20 feet away. Almost everybody on my street was robbed at one point during my stay, and I think that every one of them had a high-tech alarm system....but me. I had a large Boxer that had the most intimidating deep-throated bark you have ever heard. He could hear a footfall on my driveway or walkway and he would jump up on the window sill, part the drapes and raise holy hell. He even turned away the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormon "missionaries" who I thought could not be intimidated. If the truth was know, the dog was about as sweet an animal as you ever came across, he loved everybody as long as they stayed out of his yard.

The thieves were pros and they knew that it was just best to find and easier victim rather than deal with that threat.

[Paladin]

After hurricane Andrew, I moved to Miami for three years to help rebuild the place. I lived in a decent middle class neighborhood. At that time Miami must have been the burglary capital of the galaxy. It was so bad, that someone stole a cop car in the neighborhood, and the guy across the street had the inboard/outboard motor stolen from his boat while he slept 20 feet away. Almost everybody on my street was robbed at one point during my stay, and I think that every one of them had a high-tech alarm system....but me. ...........

The company I worked for sent me to Miami to work for a spell, after which I told my boss I would not go back unless they let carry a pistol.

Ray

[Boji]

Had to dig this up from page 3 or 4.
I might be a bit crazy, I just spent the most money I ever have on a gun. Spanking new 3 inch Python. Hubby had a 4” years ago and sold it, I was not a happy camper about that. Then the prices on the original ones went crazy. Hope to get to the range this weekend.

[tongueriver]

I have been able to resist a Python, but if they ever bring back the.22 snake gun (Garter snake LOL?) I will have to do it. Congratulations on your exceptionally nice firearm!

[Samb]

Had to dig this up from page 3 or 4.
I might be a bit crazy, I just spent the most money I ever have on a gun. Spanking new 3 inch Python. Hubby had a 4” years ago and sold it, I was not a happy camper about that. Then the prices on the original ones went crazy. Hope to get to the range this weekend.
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Last I checked they were bringing over 3 grand on Gun Broker. You have a keeper and I'm jealous.

[zp4ja]

Boji that is a beautiful Python.

Dad had a 1965 ' 6" Python. 357 and a 4" inch Diamondback in .38 special from 1968' based on my Colt serial number book. Hair smooth triggers of about 2 to 3 pounds. Both had blued finish ans Diamondback had wood handles.

An unfired oldie from 60s to 80s' will bring 6 to 10 grand outside of the factory fire test. The Rolls Royce of revolvers are the Colt Snake gun series.

He lost them in a tragic boating accident before he passed 10 years ago.
Lots of good range time on those revolvers. Sure wish I had them now...

Jerry.

[Boji]

Now that I splurged on the Python I suppose Colt will start making the Diamondback again. I have lusted after one of them for years, had a chance at one a couple of years ago for $800. But the barrel was badly canted and nobody local was willing/able to straighten it so it was a hard pass.

[zp4ja]

That 4 " Diamondback was the most balanced revolver I have ever held. No comparison to all the revolvers I have handled. Even the Python but that was a 6 inch 357. Dad never owned a semi auto in his life. Not sure about the last year's produced as my reference book is old. Shows printed in 85' and book shows Diamondback from 66 to 74'. Could have been revived after printing of my guide. Not sure.

Take care. Jerry

[zp4ja]

You will find one at some point. No sense in getting a crooked barrel for that money. Maybe it was in a tragic boat accident like Dad's.

Jerry

[Dan In MI]

Very nice-looking Python, and I bet it's a pleasure to shoot, too!.

[1967redrider]

Now that I splurged on the Python I suppose Colt will start making the Diamondback again. I have lusted after one of them for years, had a chance at one a couple of years ago for $800. But the barrel was badly canted and nobody local was willing/able to straighten it so it was a hard pass.

Awesome Python, Boji. What about the other snake- the Anaconda? I prefer the Dirty Harry S&W .44 mag looks over the Anaconda but probably wouldn't pass up a good deal on either.