Unpopular Patterns

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Unpopular Patterns

Postby kootenay joe » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:23 pm

If you search "Great Eastern Cutlery" on ebay right now you will bring up about 250 listings. It is interesting to 'watch' a bunch of these to see the final price. Most sell for more than the original price and some are much more, 2-3x original price.
There are few patterns that do not sell well and i cannot understand why.
For example i just bought a 981316, a Northfield 4 3/4" "Texas Cattle Knife" with Kingwood handles for $140 which is either at or a little below original price.
At 4 3/4" this is the largest size GEC has made and they are not likely to make it again. There are 3 different '98's': Cattle knife, Whittler & 4 blade Camp knife. Both the Cattle & Whittler are slow sellers. Why ? The size makes these a very impressive knife and a real world work knife. The fit, finish & blade grinds are typical GEC: Right On.
Most of the GEC buyers are collectors so why is there little interest in having at least one 98 pattern knife ?
What are your thoughts on the 98 pattern ?
Are there patterns you have observed to be slow to sell, i.e. not wildly popular ?
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Re: Unpopular Patterns

Postby Eye Brand Man » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:41 pm

I have the exact same knife, if I remember correctly it was around 110.00 or so new. But you got a good deal on it I have seen them sell for around 200.00. Now the camp knife version brings crazy money I don't really know why ::shrug:: Speaking of unpopular gec's I think the least popular/slow seller they ever made was the bird knife with the gut hook, they still can be found at some dealers.
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Re: Unpopular Patterns

Postby Steve Warden » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:12 pm

While a good looking knife, three things would keep me from this -
1) size. My preference is 3 1/2 to 4 1/4, with a preference to keep it under 4.
B) the punch blade. Just not a fan. Put a spay on there, now I'm interested!
III) cost. $60 is pushing it for me.
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Re: Unpopular Patterns

Postby XX Case XX » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:30 pm

kootenay joe wrote:Are there patterns you have observed to be slow to sell, i.e. not wildly popular ?

Yes. The Moose. These have been left behind for a long time. Most GEC's sell quickly, but for some reason, this pattern doesn't. JMO.

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Re: Unpopular Patterns

Postby kootenay joe » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:50 pm

Steve, the 98 "Texas Whittler" has the same master clip blade and a pen & sheepsfoot at the other end. No punch blade.
If $60 is "pushing it" then GEC are not going to be knives for you.
Basic new GEC's start as low as $80. They are an extremely good value even at $120. I suggest you push a little and get one or two of the less expensive ones. I'm sure you will feel that your money was well spent. And with GEC's you can sell it for what you paid, sometimes more.
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Re: Unpopular Patterns

Postby kootenay joe » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:07 pm

EBM, i think $110 is not correct for the new price. I just watched a youtube video from 2016 and the guy was reviewing the Texas Whittler with wood handles (snakewood ?) and said price was $173.50. The Texas Cattle version would have been a similar price. It's a big knife, big blades = more steel, more time grinding & polishing = higher price. This was never a $110 knife because it probably cost about this amount to make.
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Re: Unpopular Patterns

Postby kootenay joe » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:21 pm

The Moose is a hard one to understand. It is a popular pattern in general. The Case 75 pattern Moose and the Queen made Moose both sold very well and still do if you see one on ebay.
I think one day many of us will be kicking ourselves for not buying the GEC 82 when there were lots of them available. Pretty sure GEC will not make this pattern again given it's very low sale numbers, most stilling being at the dealers.
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Re: Unpopular Patterns

Postby Steve Warden » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:48 pm

Maybe some day.
I've always admired the looks of most of the GEC offerings.
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Re: Unpopular Patterns

Postby XX Case XX » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:00 pm

kootenay joe wrote:Are there patterns you have observed to be slow to sell, i.e. not wildly popular ?

Here's another one, the 38 Special. These came out a long time ago and many are still available from various dealers.

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Re: Unpopular Patterns

Postby Colonel26 » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:09 pm

I’m almost in the same boat with Steve.

1) I love the size.
2) I’d pack it.

But there are two things that keep me from it. First, I refuse to play the GEC game to get a GEC. Second, I’m neither retired or divorced. That means I have a wife and three kids to feed, clothe, and house all on my salary. Even in a month where I could afford one, I’d have a hard time justifying the extra expense to my family.

I’ll have to be satisfied with my HOK’s for now, or I still won’t be retired, but I may be divorced.
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Re: Unpopular Patterns

Postby Sharpnshinyknives » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:51 pm

Steve Warden wrote:While a good looking knife, three things would keep me from this -
1) size. My preference is 3 1/2 to 4 1/4, with a preference to keep it under 4.
B) the punch blade. Just not a fan. Put a spay on there, now I'm interested!
III) cost. $60 is pushing it for me.


I agree w/ Steve. The punch blade is a no sale for me. Just don’t have any use for it.
I also think the Moose and Muskrat patterns, no matter who the makers, are slow sellers. I don’t care for either one of them.
I just wish GEC made a Cuttin Horse pattern, I would buy that in a heartbeat.
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Re: Unpopular Patterns

Postby tongueriver » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:37 pm

I doubt if they sold a lot of these. I kinda like it (probably why I bought one). On the other hand, I AM thinning my GEC herd. Just sayin.
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Re: Unpopular Patterns

Postby RalphAlsip » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:06 pm

kootenay joe wrote:EBM, i think $110 is not correct for the new price. I just watched a youtube video from 2016 and the guy was reviewing the Texas Whittler with wood handles (snakewood ?) and said price was $173.50. The Texas Cattle version would have been a similar price. It's a big knife, big blades = more steel, more time grinding & polishing = higher price. This was never a $110 knife because it probably cost about this amount to make.
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The original dealer price for a Kingwood 98 Cattle Knife from Knives Ship Free was $145.10. https://www.knivesshipfree.com/great-eastern-cutlery-98-northfield-un-x-ld-texas-cattle-knife-kingwood-three-blade/

My observations of the various 98 patterns is that the wood handled variations sold the slowest and some dealers might still have them. The Campagna versions seem to be the mostly highly sought after. My recollection is that all of the bone and micarta versions sold out within a month (that was fast then), but now sellout times are measured in days if not hours or minutes. My observation is that unused bone 98's currently (December 2018) sell with at least a 20% premium over the original dealer prices. As mentioned earlier the Camp Knife 98 variation sells with at least a 50% premium and often double (100%) or more.

Here are a few of the original dealer prices I could find.

Micarta 98 Cattle original dealer price was ~ $140
Tidioute 98 Cattle jigged bone ~$145
Kingwood 98 Camp Knife ~ $170
Northfield 98 Camp Knife smooth white bone ~ $170
Northfield 98 Camp Knife antique bone with Cow shield ~ $170
Northfield 98 Cattle antique bone with Cow shield ~ $150

As I recall, the Whittler variation was priced comparably to the Cattle variation.

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Re: Unpopular Patterns

Postby Eye Brand Man » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:44 pm

kootenay joe wrote:EBM, i think $110 is not correct for the new price. I just watched a youtube video from 2016 and the guy was reviewing the Texas Whittler with wood handles (snakewood ?) and said price was $173.50. The Texas Cattle version would have been a similar price. It's a big knife, big blades = more steel, more time grinding & polishing = higher price. This was never a $110 knife because it probably cost about this amount to make.
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I believe I was mistaken on the 110.00, I was thinking of another knife. I checked my order history on CK , but it does not go back that far. I'm going to look tonight for the knife. I usually keep the receipt folded in the tube.
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Re: Unpopular Patterns

Postby kootenay joe » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:09 pm

How did you find these prices ? I checked a few websites and all i saw was "Out Of Stock", no prices shown. Have you got a time machine for going back ?
The Texas Cattle knife shown in link above for $145 is the same knife i just bought for $140 and it had been listed on ebay for at least 2 weeks.
Calvin, i can see why your knife is a slow seller. It looks odd, like a Carnival knife you try to grab with the jaws and then drop before you get it to the chute. Remember way back, when TV was just starting ---.
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