
Old and Obscure Brands
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Hi, wondering if anyone has any info on that F(SWORD)J(SWORD)F OVER A CROWN OVER PRIMASTAHL knife I posted in my previous posts? (see photo a couple posts back) Would apprciate any info anyone can drum up. Thanks, Bob
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It's not hard to understand why the American knife makers were so concerned about the endless flow of high quality German imports flooding the market back in the period before and after WWI. We've seen many examples of fine European pen knives and jacks just in this thread. Here is another nice large MOP, a Herms, imported from 1908 to 1913 according to my source.
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Here's what Bernard Levine has to say about your F.J.F. Primastahl:
"Franz J. Frenzel of Nixdorf, Bohemia. Founded 1870. Exported to Germany, France, and the USA, mainly."
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... oy-s-knife
"Franz J. Frenzel of Nixdorf, Bohemia. Founded 1870. Exported to Germany, France, and the USA, mainly."
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... oy-s-knife
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We are now up to 187 stamps. Here is the current listing in alphabetic order:
A. Reinig
A.A. Fisher
A.E. Fuller
A.J. Jordan
A.W. Flint & Co.
A*1 Tyler Celebrated Cutlery
Abercrombie & Fitch
Adams & Bro
Adams & Sons
Adolph Blaich Arrow Brand
Ahapen Faacidbr (Cyrilic)
Alfred & Son Celebrated Cutlery
Alpha
Ameike
American Knife Co.
American Shear & Knife Co.
Aquila
Argyle Cutlery Co.
Ascend W.T. Stanforth
Automatic Knife Co.
Autopoint
B.B. Knife Co.
Barber Bros.
Bergman & Scuddig
Bigelow & Dowse
Bower
Brantford Cutlery
Burkinshaw
C.F. Kayser
Canastota Knife Co.
Car-Van S.P. Co.
Case
Catskill Knife Co.
Challenge
Charles Bradshaw
Chris Wolf
Clark Bros
Clark's XLT
Coca-Cola
Columbia
Commander/Metropolitan Cutlery
Constant
Cook Bros.
Corliss Cutlery Co.
Corning Knife Company
Cornwall Knife Co.
Crooks Bros.
Crucible Knife Co.
Cussins & Fearn
Dame Smith & Hall
Duane Cutlery
E. Renaud
E.B. Sears
E.M.Dickinson
Edward K.Tryon
Electric Cutlery
Elgin American Mfg. Co.
Enterprise Cutlery
Ernst Brückmann
Excelsior Knife Company
F. Herder & Son
F.D. Bast
F.GG & Sawyer
F.J.F Primastahl
Fairplay Brothers
Fayban Knife Co.
Fayetteville Knife Co.
Fidelity Knife Co
Fletcher Hardware Co.
Foron
G. Gregory
G.H. Exhibition
G&J Allen Superior Cutlery
Gales & Co
George Woodhead
GLP Co.
GML
Golden Rule Cutlery
Gonon
Great Eastern
H.& B. Mfg. Co.
H.H. Tammen Lucky Buck
H.W.Mason & Co.
Hargreaves & Co.
Hartford Cutlery
Harvey Bros
Haynes Stellite
Henderson & Co.
Herm. Konejung
Herms
Hollinger
Holly Mfg Co.
HOLMAC
Holub
Ideal Cutlery Co
Imperial
J. Dunlap
J. Pritzlaff
J. Ward
J.M. Schmid & Son
Jack Knife Ben
James Milward & Co.
John B. Rand
Jones & Son
Joseph Barnard & Sons
Joseph Gray & Son
Julius Ohliger
K.& B. Cutlery
Kamp Cutlery
King's Kwality
Knickerbocker Cutlery
Kresge
Lamplough Cutlery
Lawton Cutlery
Lenox Cutlery
Lever Cutlery Co.
Lion Cutlery
Lockwood Brothers
M.C.Co. Meriden
M.Klaas
Magnetic Cutlery Co.
Majestic Cutlery Co.
Manhattan Cut. Co.
Mcknight Cutlery
Moore - Handley
N.& Co.
Nippel
Norfolk Knife Co
North American Cutlery
Ostdiek
Penn Cutlery Co.
Peter Hendrichs & Grah
Peters Bros Cut Co.
Prolific H.B & Son
Quaker Cutlery
R. Bunting & Son
R.J. Richter
Rango Cutlery Co.
Richards Bros. & Sons
Roberts Brothers
Rosenbaum/Iros Keen
Rostfrei
Russell
S.& A.
Samco
Samuel Robinson
Schmactenberg Brothers
SCHMIDT & ZIGLER
Seneca Cutlery
Shumate Knife Co.
Silver Steel
Sorge
Spalding & Co. Phoenix
St. Lawrence Cutlery Co.
Sterling L.G.H
Stevenson
Sword & Shield
Taylor Union Cutlery
Terrier Cutlery
Thomson
Tioga Cutlery
Tonerini Scarperia
Tyler's Celebrated Cutlery
U.K.& R. Co.
Underhill & Co.
Union Stock
United Cutlery
Utica Kutmaster
Valley Forge
Vanco
Veb Sesta
Veritable Fedide
Vollmer
Vom Cleff
W. Bingham
W. Spencer & Co.
W.G.C.
W&G Vogel
Wabash Cutlery Co.
Wade & Butcher
Warris
Waterville Cutlery
Weske
Wimberly & Thomas
Winchester
Wm. Rodgers
Wm.Congreve
A. Reinig
A.A. Fisher
A.E. Fuller
A.J. Jordan
A.W. Flint & Co.
A*1 Tyler Celebrated Cutlery
Abercrombie & Fitch
Adams & Bro
Adams & Sons
Adolph Blaich Arrow Brand
Ahapen Faacidbr (Cyrilic)
Alfred & Son Celebrated Cutlery
Alpha
Ameike
American Knife Co.
American Shear & Knife Co.
Aquila
Argyle Cutlery Co.
Ascend W.T. Stanforth
Automatic Knife Co.
Autopoint
B.B. Knife Co.
Barber Bros.
Bergman & Scuddig
Bigelow & Dowse
Bower
Brantford Cutlery
Burkinshaw
C.F. Kayser
Canastota Knife Co.
Car-Van S.P. Co.
Case
Catskill Knife Co.
Challenge
Charles Bradshaw
Chris Wolf
Clark Bros
Clark's XLT
Coca-Cola
Columbia
Commander/Metropolitan Cutlery
Constant
Cook Bros.
Corliss Cutlery Co.
Corning Knife Company
Cornwall Knife Co.
Crooks Bros.
Crucible Knife Co.
Cussins & Fearn
Dame Smith & Hall
Duane Cutlery
E. Renaud
E.B. Sears
E.M.Dickinson
Edward K.Tryon
Electric Cutlery
Elgin American Mfg. Co.
Enterprise Cutlery
Ernst Brückmann
Excelsior Knife Company
F. Herder & Son
F.D. Bast
F.GG & Sawyer
F.J.F Primastahl
Fairplay Brothers
Fayban Knife Co.
Fayetteville Knife Co.
Fidelity Knife Co
Fletcher Hardware Co.
Foron
G. Gregory
G.H. Exhibition
G&J Allen Superior Cutlery
Gales & Co
George Woodhead
GLP Co.
GML
Golden Rule Cutlery
Gonon
Great Eastern
H.& B. Mfg. Co.
H.H. Tammen Lucky Buck
H.W.Mason & Co.
Hargreaves & Co.
Hartford Cutlery
Harvey Bros
Haynes Stellite
Henderson & Co.
Herm. Konejung
Herms
Hollinger
Holly Mfg Co.
HOLMAC
Holub
Ideal Cutlery Co
Imperial
J. Dunlap
J. Pritzlaff
J. Ward
J.M. Schmid & Son
Jack Knife Ben
James Milward & Co.
John B. Rand
Jones & Son
Joseph Barnard & Sons
Joseph Gray & Son
Julius Ohliger
K.& B. Cutlery
Kamp Cutlery
King's Kwality
Knickerbocker Cutlery
Kresge
Lamplough Cutlery
Lawton Cutlery
Lenox Cutlery
Lever Cutlery Co.
Lion Cutlery
Lockwood Brothers
M.C.Co. Meriden
M.Klaas
Magnetic Cutlery Co.
Majestic Cutlery Co.
Manhattan Cut. Co.
Mcknight Cutlery
Moore - Handley
N.& Co.
Nippel
Norfolk Knife Co
North American Cutlery
Ostdiek
Penn Cutlery Co.
Peter Hendrichs & Grah
Peters Bros Cut Co.
Prolific H.B & Son
Quaker Cutlery
R. Bunting & Son
R.J. Richter
Rango Cutlery Co.
Richards Bros. & Sons
Roberts Brothers
Rosenbaum/Iros Keen
Rostfrei
Russell
S.& A.
Samco
Samuel Robinson
Schmactenberg Brothers
SCHMIDT & ZIGLER
Seneca Cutlery
Shumate Knife Co.
Silver Steel
Sorge
Spalding & Co. Phoenix
St. Lawrence Cutlery Co.
Sterling L.G.H
Stevenson
Sword & Shield
Taylor Union Cutlery
Terrier Cutlery
Thomson
Tioga Cutlery
Tonerini Scarperia
Tyler's Celebrated Cutlery
U.K.& R. Co.
Underhill & Co.
Union Stock
United Cutlery
Utica Kutmaster
Valley Forge
Vanco
Veb Sesta
Veritable Fedide
Vollmer
Vom Cleff
W. Bingham
W. Spencer & Co.
W.G.C.
W&G Vogel
Wabash Cutlery Co.
Wade & Butcher
Warris
Waterville Cutlery
Weske
Wimberly & Thomas
Winchester
Wm. Rodgers
Wm.Congreve
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Here's another old Penn. I couldn't find the other one in this thread. There are some great old knives here.
Joe
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Phil,
Is that Arrow real tortoise shell?
Sweet knife!
Is that Arrow real tortoise shell?
Sweet knife!

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ive got one more to add to the list its a krusius bros germany three blade whittler ill post pics latertrail wrote:We are now up to 187 stamps. Here is the current listing in alphabetic order:
A. Reinig
A.A. Fisher
A.E. Fuller
A.J. Jordan
A.W. Flint & Co.
A*1 Tyler Celebrated Cutlery
Abercrombie & Fitch
Adams & Bro
Adams & Sons
Adolph Blaich Arrow Brand
Ahapen Faacidbr (Cyrilic)
Alfred & Son Celebrated Cutlery
Alpha
Ameike
American Knife Co.
American Shear & Knife Co.
Aquila
Argyle Cutlery Co.
Ascend W.T. Stanforth
Automatic Knife Co.
Autopoint
B.B. Knife Co.
Barber Bros.
Bergman & Scuddig
Bigelow & Dowse
Bower
Brantford Cutlery
Burkinshaw
C.F. Kayser
Canastota Knife Co.
Car-Van S.P. Co.
Case
Catskill Knife Co.
Challenge
Charles Bradshaw
Chris Wolf
Clark Bros
Clark's XLT
Coca-Cola
Columbia
Commander/Metropolitan Cutlery
Constant
Cook Bros.
Corliss Cutlery Co.
Corning Knife Company
Cornwall Knife Co.
Crooks Bros.
Crucible Knife Co.
Cussins & Fearn
Dame Smith & Hall
Duane Cutlery
E. Renaud
E.B. Sears
E.M.Dickinson
Edward K.Tryon
Electric Cutlery
Elgin American Mfg. Co.
Enterprise Cutlery
Ernst Brückmann
Excelsior Knife Company
F. Herder & Son
F.D. Bast
F.GG & Sawyer
F.J.F Primastahl
Fairplay Brothers
Fayban Knife Co.
Fayetteville Knife Co.
Fidelity Knife Co
Fletcher Hardware Co.
Foron
G. Gregory
G.H. Exhibition
G&J Allen Superior Cutlery
Gales & Co
George Woodhead
GLP Co.
GML
Golden Rule Cutlery
Gonon
Great Eastern
H.& B. Mfg. Co.
H.H. Tammen Lucky Buck
H.W.Mason & Co.
Hargreaves & Co.
Hartford Cutlery
Harvey Bros
Haynes Stellite
Henderson & Co.
Herm. Konejung
Herms
Hollinger
Holly Mfg Co.
HOLMAC
Holub
Ideal Cutlery Co
Imperial
J. Dunlap
J. Pritzlaff
J. Ward
J.M. Schmid & Son
Jack Knife Ben
James Milward & Co.
John B. Rand
Jones & Son
Joseph Barnard & Sons
Joseph Gray & Son
Julius Ohliger
K.& B. Cutlery
Kamp Cutlery
King's Kwality
Knickerbocker Cutlery
Kresge
Lamplough Cutlery
Lawton Cutlery
Lenox Cutlery
Lever Cutlery Co.
Lion Cutlery
Lockwood Brothers
M.C.Co. Meriden
M.Klaas
Magnetic Cutlery Co.
Majestic Cutlery Co.
Manhattan Cut. Co.
Mcknight Cutlery
Moore - Handley
N.& Co.
Nippel
Norfolk Knife Co
North American Cutlery
Ostdiek
Penn Cutlery Co.
Peter Hendrichs & Grah
Peters Bros Cut Co.
Prolific H.B & Son
Quaker Cutlery
R. Bunting & Son
R.J. Richter
Rango Cutlery Co.
Richards Bros. & Sons
Roberts Brothers
Rosenbaum/Iros Keen
Rostfrei
Russell
S.& A.
Samco
Samuel Robinson
Schmactenberg Brothers
SCHMIDT & ZIGLER
Seneca Cutlery
Shumate Knife Co.
Silver Steel
Sorge
Spalding & Co. Phoenix
St. Lawrence Cutlery Co.
Sterling L.G.H
Stevenson
Sword & Shield
Taylor Union Cutlery
Terrier Cutlery
Thomson
Tioga Cutlery
Tonerini Scarperia
Tyler's Celebrated Cutlery
U.K.& R. Co.
Underhill & Co.
Union Stock
United Cutlery
Utica Kutmaster
Valley Forge
Vanco
Veb Sesta
Veritable Fedide
Vollmer
Vom Cleff
W. Bingham
W. Spencer & Co.
W.G.C.
W&G Vogel
Wabash Cutlery Co.
Wade & Butcher
Warris
Waterville Cutlery
Weske
Wimberly & Thomas
Winchester
Wm. Rodgers
Wm.Congreve
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this is one that i didnt see on the list its a krusius bros germany can anybody tell me anything about this knife
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and another one thats not on the list its a saber japan i liked the bone handels and the blades took a nice edge after a little cleaning this is my only saber i no nothing about the brand
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Sabre has always been kind of mystery to me too. You see them made in USA, Japan and Germany.
"There are none so blind as those that refuse to see"
God Bless America - Though I don't know why he would want to.
God Bless America - Though I don't know why he would want to.
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Cool thread!
Hugo Koller LB whittler:

The "other" Rogers in Sheffield:


Conn. Cutlery:

Sperry & Alexander (made by Schrade?)

Eagle (NYK Co. second, ground and restamped)

Hugo Koller LB whittler:

The "other" Rogers in Sheffield:


Conn. Cutlery:

Sperry & Alexander (made by Schrade?)

Eagle (NYK Co. second, ground and restamped)

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Thanks so much for the info!trail wrote:Here's what Bernard Levine has to say about your F.J.F. Primastahl:
"Franz J. Frenzel of Nixdorf, Bohemia. Founded 1870. Exported to Germany, France, and the USA, mainly."
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... oy-s-knife
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More great old, obscure brands! I think Krusius Brothers was a New York importer of German knives. My book shows Sabre as "Cole National economy line" 1960 to 1980.
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Here are some by Cole National, they are stamped Monarch.




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thanks for that info trailtrail wrote:More great old, obscure brands! I think Krusius Brothers was a New York importer of German knives. My book shows Sabre as "Cole National economy line" 1960 to 1980.
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Here's one that I bought just to add another tang stamp to my collection but it ended up being kind of interesting. The stamp is "Gellman Bros" who were a Minneapolis wholesaler of novelties. I couldn't find much information on them but they seem to have been embroiled in legal issues in the 1940s and 1950s, first for distributing tokens that would work in place of coins in vending machines, and then for not collecting sales tax on counter sales at their establishment. A legal document states they started business in 1919, and I saw mention of people buying from their catalogs into the 1960s, but sometime after then the trail goes cold. As for the knife, I wasn't expecting much, considering the business of the seller, but it's actually not a bad little knife. What looks like tip bolsters are actually extensions of the frame. The blades both have half-stops and plenty of snap and the little compass still works. Who made the knife I won't even hazard a guess, but it just goes to show how people used to build quality even into cheap, utilitarian items.
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Thanks, Paul, it's a pleasure being part of this group. For better or worse, this thread has turned me into a stamp collector, and when I see something I don't have I try to bid on it. Especially if it is something that has no references on an AAPK search. Here is my latest find, a Solingen made "Jorcie". Evidently this is from August Jörges & Co, Solingen-Höhscheid. The reference I found cited a 1932 publication "Rasierklingen-Code" as his source. August Jorges evidently made razors as their main business. Their razor brands were Jörco, Oerloso and Yvel. I'm guessing that some American importer brought these knives and etched them here as advertising knives for businesses. Curry Lumber in Wooster Ohio is still in operation, "With specialization in Post-Frame construction in the Ohio area, we can design and build a structure to meet your individual needs."
One thing I wonder about is the use of "cie" in the brand "Jorcie" since "cie" is a French abbreviation for company, not a German one. Since the common corporate designation in Germany is GmbH, maybe they thought Jorcie sounded better than JorGmbH.
Here is the razor site that had the August Jorges reference. Incidentally, this page looks like it would be a fantastic resource for collectors of German razors. I'n looking forward to exploring the rest of the site for pocket knife information.
http://www.archivingindustry.com/cutler ... makers.htm
And here is the home page for Curry Lumber in Wooster. When I get the opportunity I will email them a picture of the knife and see if anyone there can remember it.
http://www.currylumber.com/
One thing I wonder about is the use of "cie" in the brand "Jorcie" since "cie" is a French abbreviation for company, not a German one. Since the common corporate designation in Germany is GmbH, maybe they thought Jorcie sounded better than JorGmbH.
Here is the razor site that had the August Jorges reference. Incidentally, this page looks like it would be a fantastic resource for collectors of German razors. I'n looking forward to exploring the rest of the site for pocket knife information.
http://www.archivingindustry.com/cutler ... makers.htm
And here is the home page for Curry Lumber in Wooster. When I get the opportunity I will email them a picture of the knife and see if anyone there can remember it.
http://www.currylumber.com/
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Here's an EIG CUTLERY ITALY, Picklock from the 50's.
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Cheap German knife, Utica Co.
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Here's a few living with me. Most are relics, but some are nice.
I'll see if I can find more later and post pics of the whole (what's left) knives.
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I'll see if I can find more later and post pics of the whole (what's left) knives.
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Dimitri, that Utica speaks of another era, when every gentleman carried a cigar clipper in his pocket.
Even the size of the clipper speaks of an older era when many hand made cigars were made with a twist of the wrapper at the end of the cigar instead of a nicely finished head like most of today’s fine handmade cigars.
The cigars with the twist are often called a fumas today.
How many tools are there on that knife; 2 knife blades, a corkscrew, cigar clipper and is that other tool a glass cuter?
Even the size of the clipper speaks of an older era when many hand made cigars were made with a twist of the wrapper at the end of the cigar instead of a nicely finished head like most of today’s fine handmade cigars.
The cigars with the twist are often called a fumas today.
How many tools are there on that knife; 2 knife blades, a corkscrew, cigar clipper and is that other tool a glass cuter?
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