Schrade Honesteel

[stockman]

Found this at our club meeting. I read about these on AAPK. This one did
not seem to fit any description. Wondered about age and value, I would
assume not much. PIc should enlarge

Harold

[Shearer]

If it a original Shrade 2004 or before it should have stamps similiar to the picture.There are some later ones and I am not sure of the stamping.Around $20 to $40 depends on condition
Grant

[stockman]

Grant, looks like your middle one to me. Also something I discovered last night, the snap
also has a male half inside of the leather case that the outside snaps on to. What is that for?

Thanks
Harold

[Chase]

Harold,

Sorry for jumpimg in here, however, if you turn your honesteel away from you (hole toward you) and open up the sheath snaps you can see that you can attach the sheath to the honesteel and it acts as a handle. Place the honesteel down over the inside snap/post and close the outer flap over the honesteel
And snap the sheath together.

Hope this helps!
Tom

[stockman]

Thanks Grant and Tom for the help.

Harold

[Chase]

Here are a couple pictures to show you what I am talking about! It's all about safety so ou do not cut yourself when sharpening the knives....LOL. It also locks the honesteel into the sheath so it doesn't work it's way out resulting in loss.

Tom

[stockman]

Tom, That is different than mine. Mine has a snap fastener, where yours seems to have
a stud. Maybe changed later to the stud. I use a steel alot but never a Schrade Honesteel.
Might give it a try.

Harold

[tongueriver]

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... =honesteel

[orvet]

They might be worth a bit more then one would think.
Unused some have recently sold on ebay in the $40 to $100 range, $100 for an old stock honesteel in the old wood grain box.

You can pay less for used or poorly listed Schrade Honesteels, but you can probably figure on spending close to $50 or more if you just want to go on ebay and buy one today and don't have the inclination to wait for a bargain. Just watch out for the $25 and under ones that look new, that are probably imported.

[Shearer]

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... =honesteel

I have one different to the list on Blade Forum
Stamped: Schrade over Old Timer over Honesteel over Pat. Pend
Mine has a single bevel.(not a double )
Grant

[orvet]

Grant, that sounds like one of the first ones.
I am not good with patent searches, but I know some folks can do them with ease.
If we can find the date the patent on the honesteel was granted, we could reasonably date your knife as being prior to that date ...................... I think...

Cal, what are your thoughts on this?
You probably know more about this topic than I do.

[tongueriver]

Grant, that sounds like one of the first ones.
I am not good with patent searches, but I know some folks can do them with ease.
If we can find the date the patent on the honesteel was granted, we could reasonably date your knife as being prior to that date ...................... I think...

Cal, what are your thoughts on this?
You probably know more about this topic than I do.

From the above-mentioned thread on Bladeforums: "The Honesteel was patented by Henry B. Baer (“Uncle Henry”), and assigned to Imperial Knife Associated Companies. The design patent was filed in June of 1971, and issued in July of 1973."

[orvet]

Thanks Cal!
I didn't have time to read the whole thread, so I missed that.

I have heard on other knives the knife is stamped Pat. Applied For or Pat Pend. when the knife is in production before the actual granting of the patent.
I would think that It would have a Schrade Walden tang stamp if made prior to June 1973, as that is the date Schrade dropped the 'Walden' from their name and tang stamps.
I guess it could have been produced in June of 1973, which is pretty unreal to date a Schrade product that closely!

My next question:
Does anyone have a honesteel with a SCHRADE WALDEN tang stamp?

EDIT:
Yes! The one in the left hand side of Grant's picture posted above!


Grant, I would guess that that honesteel was made after the name change at Schrade, (approx mid June 1973) and before the granting of the patent and the production of a new stamp for the honesteels.
Congrats, I would say that is probably fairly rare.

[Shearer]

Dale the only one that has me confused is the second one in the picture. It has the Schrade stamp and the single bevel is 15/16" wide where the othe are a 1" wide.All I can think is that it was one of the first and stamped later.
Grant

[orvet]

Dale the only one that has me confused is the second one in the picture. It has the Schrade stamp and the single bevel is 15/16" wide where the othe are a 1" wide.All I can think is that it was one of the first and stamped later.
Grant

I don't know what the Rockwell rating is on the steels but I would think they are a little harder than the knives.
As I understanding the stamping of the knives they are stamped before they are hardened, other wise the hardened steel will wear out the stamps rather quickly.

If that is true of the steels, I doubt it was stamped later.

Probably just another of those Schrade mysteries!

[tongueriver]

And here is one for Craftsman, double bevel, one inch wide:

edit: Well, something has changed on the site, and I no longer know how to post an image from photobucket. Sorry.

[coffeecup]

I don't know what the Rockwell rating is on the steels but I would think they are a little harder than the knives.
As I understanding the stamping of the knives they are stamped before they are hardened, other wise the hardened steel will wear out the stamps rather quickly.

If that is true of the steels, I doubt it was stamped later.

Probably just another of those Schrade mysteries!

I've seen a couple of "narrow" honesteels. Since they were all marked similarly, I just figured Schrade got a deal on stock that width and did a run of narrow Honesteels.

The one I checked had a Rockwell C-scale hardness of around 59-60. That's hard enough that stamps wouldn't last long at all. . . .

[orvet]

Thank you Jim for testing a hone steel for the hardness. I don’t have a Rockwell tester, (wish I did!), so I really appreciate the info!


I have not seen one of the narrow hone steels, in fact, this is the first I recall hearing about them. If you can post a pic of the narrow along side a standard hone steel it would be informative for all of I think.

[coffeecup]

I don't have one either--I go over to a local machine shop on Friday afternoon with a case of beer, or show up mid-week with a box of donuts. In exchange, I get access to the RC tester.

I'm actually the only person who uses the darn thing, so we worked out a deal: as soon as I can raise the funds, I'll buy it. Anyone want to buy a knife?

Narrow Honesteels: look back at Shearer's first picture in this thread. Second from left.

[ea42]

The steels are actually coated with a fairly thick layer of an alloy whose make-up I don't recall right now. I think there was nickel, cobalt, chromium, etc in it. Was done off-site, not at the factory. You're actually pulling the Rockwell figures off this coating, not the steel itself.

Eric

[orvet]

Narrow Honesteels: look back at Shearer's first picture in this thread. Second from left.

Thanks Jim. I hadn't noticed that.
Somedays I don't have enough time to read everything on here I would like to & have to settle for skimming through it.


Thanks for the info Eric!
That makes sense, probably a lot cheaper to make them that way.

[Shearer]

Dale here is a couple of pictures.
The narrow one is 13/16"x 3/16 "x 7"
Grant

[orvet]

Thanks Grant!
Wow I didn't realize it was so much thinner!

[tongueriver]

And here is one for Craftsman, double bevel, one inch wide:

edit: Well, something has changed on the site, and I no longer know how to post an image from photobucket. Sorry.

Let me try again:

[Shearer]

[quote="tongueriver"]And here is one for Craftsman, double bevel, one inch wide:

tongueriver.I do not have a Craftsman( another one to look for )
I have purchased another Schrade Old Timer Honesteel PAT PEND with two bevels.I will post a picture when it arrives .
Grant