Celluloid Handles

[Oman]

Here's a SHUR-SNAP auto. These knives were very inexpensive when you could buy them at the local store. Now, not so cheap. Nice bright yellow scales and NOS.

[Just Plain Dave]

I have seen some almost UNBELIEVEABLE sights in this thread!

I never really liked Cell scales much when I saw them but my eyes have been opened!

Doesn't matter much though as my current job has come to an end.

Anyhow THANKS dudes!

[Just Plain Dave]

HUH! I went with some other knives in mind, and came home with this:


Never say never!

[justold52]

I thought some new members would like to see this Celluloid knife and know what not to buy.

I think this is one that is starting to gas out. See the line of pitting on the main blade, both sides. I would not buy this one. If I had one that was starting to pit like it I would remove the handles FAST. This one knife will hurt every knife it is storage with.

If you have not seen this tread before start from page one. Lot of gr8 info and photos.

Ken

[orvet]

Ken,
I have some YELLOW jigged bone that would look good on that knife!

Dale

[Owd Wullie]

I've got a gently used set of yellow celluloid scales for a Case 3299 1/2..

However, shipping HAZ-MAT is pretty pricey these days.

[Knife Nut]

O W, something about your picture makes me hungry for crab legs.


Paul

[Pen & Toothpick]

I've got a gently used set of yellow celluloid scales for a Case 3299 1/2..

However, shipping HAZ-MAT is pretty pricey these days.

What is in the background of the picture?

[Owd Wullie]

What is in the background of the picture?

That is a rock that I found in a creek bottom. I know not whether it is petrified dinosaur or mastodon poop or just an interesting rock. Makes a fun back ground for knife pics though.

Here's some pica of those scales right before I took 'em off that knife.



I left 'em out in the sun for a couple of weeks and they ended up looking the picture in the previous post.

and heres a better pic of the rock.

[Pen & Toothpick]

Could it be a Fossilized Tortoise Shell?

[Joe Dirt]

Could it be a Fossilized Tortoise Shell?

I believe that's an old caveman's soccer ball!
The cell can be tossed in the glove box of your truck as an emergency fire starting kit (It really works)!!

............. Joe

[justold52]

I that is was time to bring this tread back do to this tread "storing your folders"

I think this is a big tread but very helpful for the new guys here.

Please start from page ONE. Take your time.

Cells seem to go bad first because of stored temperature and humidity.

Then do to oil and sunlight. I use TUF-GLIDE Micro-bonding dry lubricant as oil. Just a drop on the joint after Ren-Waxing the total knife.

I use Ren Wax on all my knives. I do not store my cells with my other knives. I think if they are left to breath they do not go bad (providing the above is not met). I have many cells and as of yet not a one has gone gassing out. If you can store the cells with the blade open then do so. That way if one goes bad, you still can but new handles on her. Then you saved the knife blades as a good user. I do check my entire cells at least ever 6 mo.

Ken

[orvet]

I think this link has been posted in this thread before, but it is worth posting again for those who may have missed it.

http://www.oregonknifeclub.org/celluloid_02.html

The article is written by a friend of mine at the Oregon Knife Collectors Association, Dennis Ellingsen.
Dennis and knifemaker Wayne Goddard started OKCA in the 1970s, along with help from their wives.
Very important to give credit where credit is due!
Dennis has been collecting knives and writing about knives for several decades. He is no newcomer to knife collecting and the problems of celluloid handles.
It is an article I reread once or twice per year just to refresh my memory.

Dale

[peterforce]

orvet!!!!!!!!!!!

that article is the best and now saved!

thank you for posting it.i missed it in the past.

what is funny is it mentions also one of the knives i have been most frustrated with
and that is the Kutmaster Brownie knife.

i cant find a one thats not gassed on both sides.every one i have seen.

also i love fightn rooster knives and their version of celluloid.
teir boxes when you can find them,i have 3, one of them says GENUINE CELLULOID on them{the other 2 say GENUINE MOTHER OF PEARL-first gen blue boxes!}
anyway this shows to me pride in using the product.IMO.

anybody else know a company that actually announces on their boxes GENUINE CELLULOID?

also in my personal experience Fightn Rooster cell gasses the least.

orvet once again thanx for posting.

[peterforce]

also KEN i wanted to tell ya that the coke bottle set you have by queen is actually COMPOSITE.

and WULLIE....I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE...I DRINK IT ALL UP!!!!!

[Syztems Rety]

A while back I bought a number of the Bulldog knives with the Christmas tree celluloid handles. These are fairly recent knives, no more than 10 years old.

I had been wondering if they were going to be problematic, so I separated them from the rest.

Last month I pulled out one of the canoes that I kept in a plastic bag and lo, rust was developing on the blade and the bolsters were discolored, as was the shield.

So I would have to say that these are problematic. It may not be the actual celluloid product, but will still outgas.

The knife in question is this (though not my actual knife)



I also have a fight'n rooster with a different christmas tree handle that is no looking too good. (This type):

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/f ... ade-beauty#

[gino]

Never put knives in plastic bags. It might not let moisture in but it can condensate inside the bags or plastic wrap and wont let moisture out promoting rust.

[orvet]

As the article by Dennis Ellingsen says, lighter colors seem to have more problems than darker colors.

It has been my experience that Christmas tree celluloid is one of the worse celluloids when it comes to off gassing. I have seen a number of them that have off gassed, and it doesn't seem to matter what the brand is. It seems like there is something in the Christmas Tree celluloid (perhaps the metallic flakes) that makes it more instable.

If one of my knives is starting to off gas, I pull the handles off the knife and wash the knife in soap and warm water, dry it throughly and set it aside to be rehandled, usually with bone or stag handles. I will sometimes put the handles in a plastic bag to keep them for patterns if they don't come off in pieces.

I don't own any Bulldogs or Fighting Roosters,
but from what I have seen posted here, they seem to be some of the more problematic of the recently produced celluloid knives. They are beautiful, some of the nicest of the "modern" knives, but I avoid them because of what I have seen on the forums.

Dale

[gino]

Great info as usual dale,Thanks

[danno50]

I assume that the current Case yellow knives are not celluloid?? Does anyone know when they quit using celluloid? I have a 1976 Case whittler with what is listed as white composite scales. I had alllways assumed this was not celluloid?

Dan

[Jacknifeben]

A buddy of mine had some CASE CLASSIC folding hunters in a knife roll for about 5 years. He opened it a few weeks ago and they were a mess. The red and gold celluloid had gassed and ruined about 15 knives. He says he is going to use them for digging weeds out of garden.

[orvet]

I have heard most American companies stopped using it in the 1960s.
There are a few exceptions, but most seem to have stopped using as much as they did before that time.

Dale

[jerryd6818]

I have heard most American companies stopped using it in the 1960s.
There are a few exceptions, but most seem to have stopped using as much as they did before that time.

Dale

So the handles on my '96 - '97 Family Tree doctor knives (made by Queen) and my Case Classic, Candy Strip and Waterfall handled doctor knives (also 1990s) are most likely not celluloid?

[peterforce]

case classic is probably celluloid.almost every case classic you can look up somewhere.
here is a start on AAPK itself. http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/pri ... /index.php

and queen i would just call them or write them.

queen i would bet a whole penny is composite.

also remember composite for the most part is dull and celluloid if not gassed up is brighter.

[peterforce]

every candy stripe i ever scene has been celluloid as well. just to toss that in.