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 Post subject: HAMMER BRAND stamps
PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:58 am 
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HAMMER BRAND stamp photos with dates.
Previously published with hand drawn images.
Pictures include an undocumented Imperial HAMMER BRAND stamp.

NOTE the differences in the 3 finger and 4 finger grip on the hammer handle.
I personally use a 3 finger grip.


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File comment: Hand drawn images published in Knife World magazine
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File comment: Trade mark used by New York Knife Co. Walden, NY from 1878 - 1932
NYKC Hammer Brand trade mark 1878-1932.jpg
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File comment: First Imperial Knife Company stamp used in 1936 -1937
'36-'37 Imperial Hammer Brand.jpg
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File comment: Second Imperial Knife Company stamp used from 1938 through 1941 (pre-war stamp)
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File comment: Third Imperial Knife Company stamp used from 1945 through 1955 (post war stamp)
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File comment: Undocumented Imperial Knife Company stamp. Possibly post 1955
Imperial Hammer Brand Fixed blade Shell handle stamp has enlongated  shape hammer-possable post '55.jpg
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File comment: This is a USA stamp found on trappers and stockmans made in New York. NEW YORK KNIFE CO USA is found on one of the secondary blades.
Modern (2005) New York Knife Co. Hammer Brand stamp, New York over USA over Knife Co is found on 2nd blade tang.jpg
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 Post subject: Re: HAMMER BRAND stamps
PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:35 pm 
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Joe,

Thanks for posting the pictures ::tu::

It is very useful to see the actual tang stamp ::nod::

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 Post subject: Re: HAMMER BRAND stamps
PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:32 am 
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Excellent study in Hammer Brand tang stamps Joe! ::tu::

Thank you!

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 Post subject: Re: HAMMER BRAND stamps
PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:06 pm 
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Joe does this chart cover ALL Imperial and Hammer brand knives? I'm going to make a copy to save.

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 Post subject: Re: HAMMER BRAND stamps
PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:42 pm 
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Thanks Joe, very useful since I'm getting a few Hammer stamps now. This one appears to be post 1955 as well.
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 Post subject: Re: HAMMER BRAND stamps
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:22 am 
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Cope, I focused only on the HAMMER BRAND stamps. The NYKC stamp is taken from only one
sample. I will need to compare a few more examples to see if there was any differences over the years.
(Any/All Help is Encouraged and Welcomed!)

I know Imperial used other stamps in addition to the ones published.
Some as generic as "U.S.A.", while others left the factory with no stamp at all.

I have just discovered the stamp with the 4 finger grip caped by the thumb w/U S A.
The documented '45 - '55 stamp has a three finger grip caped with the fore finger and thumb w/USA.
This stamp needs further research before an actual date can be associated with it.

Singin46, your knife does appear (though I can't clearly see 4 fingers) to have the "newly discovered" stamp!
Please confirm this, as it is only the second one I have ever seen, if so.

If anyone has a 4 finger/USA stamped Hammer Brand, PLEASE post it!

I will start another topic on why I believe it is post '55.

Thanks folks,

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 Post subject: Re: HAMMER BRAND stamps
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:38 am 
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Yes Joe, it is certainly a 4 finger stamp, can't wait to hear why you are of the opinion it is post 55'. I can't seem to get a decent shot of the stamp to post but thru the loop I just looked again and saw all 4 fingers gripping the handle. Very clear thru the loop!

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 Post subject: Re: HAMMER BRAND stamps
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:48 am 
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Is this any better Joe? After 10 or 15 tries, this is what I came up with.
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 Post subject: Re: HAMMER BRAND stamps
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gonna try this once more Joe. Sorry bout the BIG pic but it frustrated me bad! I count 4 fingers.

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 Post subject: Re: HAMMER BRAND stamps
PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:28 am 
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PhotoShop! :mrgreen:
Nice hi-res pics though!


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 Post subject: Re: HAMMER BRAND stamps
PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:41 am 
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I am no expert on Imperial tang stamps but here is the info I have in my files.
The first 3 charts are from an old Knife World article. I believe LT posted them several years ago.
The 4th chart was posted here or in another knife forum.

I am not sure of the accuracy of either any of them, but it dies give you an idea of some of the markings used.

Note that #8 is noted as being the same as the NYK Hammer Brand stamp.
How is that for throwing a monkey wrench into the gears? ::shrug::


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 Post subject: Re: HAMMER BRAND stamps
PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:24 am 
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Yes, I have all these on my desktop Dale and thx for the help on the photoshop. ::tu::
Is this one really rare? ::shrug:: With both stamps?

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 Post subject: Re: HAMMER BRAND stamps
PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:09 am 
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LOL @ Perry. ::tu:: Jus' teasin' :wink:

I don't think that is rare.
It seems to me that I have seen the two stamps on a number of Imperial shell handles.

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 Post subject: Re: HAMMER BRAND stamps
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That's what I thought too. Just creative embellishment for selling purposes. Not about to bid on it. I don't want these things to start going for $30 bucks all the sudden! ::td:: I knew you were kiddin Dale, we're buddies! :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: HAMMER BRAND stamps
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Here's another one for the stamp collection.

Again, ANY and ALL help is welcome and encouraged with these stamps.
Your observations and feedback are a tremendous help ::tu::

This stamp has the post war ('45 -'55) arm & hammer image. However the "USA" is stamped sideways.
The stamp on the pen blade also differs from the usual patten stamps.

Is it possible that this is a "prototype" stamp used after USA was added to the stamp following WWII?

Maybe a first production run before a decision was made to use the vertical USA stamping?

What do you think?

...... Joe


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