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Western States Stockman & Pick

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:10 pm
by Clark23
Hi there I have a Large Western States Sowbelly made by Utica with Etch with Western States pick

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:30 pm
by FRJ
Clark23 wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:10 pm Hi here I have a Large Western States Sowbelly made by Utica with Etch with Western States pick
Nice knife, Clark. ::tu::
It looks like a serpentine stockman with stag ------ and pick.

How long is it?

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 9:01 pm
by Clark23
FRJ wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:30 pm
Clark23 wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:10 pm Hi here I have a Large Western States Sowbelly made by Utica with Etch with Western States pick
Nice knife, Clark. ::tu::
It looks like a serpentine stockman with stag ------ and pick.

How long is it?
I’ve been told it was Sowbelly and can’t remember how much the curves have to be make it a Sowbelly as only owned couple sows before. It’s little over 4-1/4” closed.

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 10:38 pm
by Reverand
It is a beauty!

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 12:15 am
by Mumbleypeg
Nice knife, but I agree it’s not a “sowbelly”. I’d call it a serpentine stockman. Sowbelly pattern has a more pronounced “belly”. Sowbelly’s are also typically heavier looking than a stockman (they may it be actually heavier - they just “look” like it). :lol:

Some examples. Top to bottom: Case 6318 Serpentine Stockman, Moore Maker 5303 Sowbelly, Schrade 881Y Serpentine Stockman. Hope that helps. ::tu::


Ken

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:21 am
by FRJ
Thank you for the response, Clark.

It is indeed a beauty. ::tu::

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:09 am
by tongueriver
I don't understand why it may have been made by Utica? I think that is highly unlikely but I am always discovering new things.

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:04 am
by edge213
tongueriver wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:09 am I don't understand why it may have been made by Utica? I think that is highly unlikely but I am always discovering new things.
I was wondering the same. Utica?

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:17 am
by wlf
edge213 wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:04 am
tongueriver wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:09 am I don't understand why it may have been made by Utica? I think that is highly unlikely but I am always discovering new things.
I was wondering the same. Utica?
Who do you guys believe made it? 🤷 Western ? I was thinking it looked like a Winchester.😊

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:20 am
by wlf
edge213 wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:04 am
tongueriver wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:09 am I don't understand why it may have been made by Utica? I think that is highly unlikely but I am always discovering new things.
I was wondering the same. Utica?
Nice Clark . I carried a Wards by Winchester that looked like that one. I think it was 3 7/8" though.

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:28 pm
by peanut740
That is a Western States "Mountain Man Stockman"They used the same frame for a trapper,jack and the dynamite knife.

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:55 pm
by Clark23
Mumbleypeg wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 12:15 am Nice knife, but I agree it’s not a “sowbelly”. I’d call it a serpentine stockman. Sowbelly pattern has a more pronounced “belly”. Sowbelly’s are also typically heavier looking than a stockman (they may it be actually heavier - they just “look” like it). :lol:

Some examples. Top to bottom: Case 6318 Serpentine Stockman, Moore Maker 5303 Sowbelly, Schrade 881Y Serpentine Stockman. Hope that helps. ::tu::


Ken
Thank you very much Ken, I can see it’s not a Sow now. Just what I was told. Thanks for sharing a photo like up of each to show next to each other. ::handshake::

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:58 pm
by Clark23
tongueriver wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:09 am I don't understand why it may have been made by Utica? I think that is highly unlikely but I am always discovering new things.
Because I have seen they made knives for Utica and the nail pull location on main blade is a what Utica was known for a lot of.

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:01 pm
by Clark23
edge213 wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:04 am
tongueriver wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:09 am I don't understand why it may have been made by Utica? I think that is highly unlikely but I am always discovering new things.
I was wondering the same. Utica?
I suspect it as I seen knives were made by Utica and the unique
Nail pull on main blade as what Utica was known for a lot.

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:02 pm
by Clark23
peanut740 wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:28 pm That is a Western States "Mountain Man Stockman"They used the same frame for a trapper,jack and the dynamite knife.
Thank you Roger I appreciate it.

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:16 pm
by tongueriver
His kin back in NY furnished Platts with knives when he was setting up in Boulder, but before long he was making all his own knives. I don't think Utica was in the mix.

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:11 pm
by Clark23
tongueriver wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:16 pm His kin back in NY furnished Platts with knives when he was setting up in Boulder, but before long he was making all his own knives. I don't think Utica was in the mix.
There is other topics about other knives made by Utica for Western on AAPK.

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:42 pm
by tongueriver
Clark23 wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:11 pm
tongueriver wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:16 pm His kin back in NY furnished Platts with knives when he was setting up in Boulder, but before long he was making all his own knives. I don't think Utica was in the mix.
There is other topics about other knives made by Utica for Western on AAPK.
Can you give a link?

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 6:18 pm
by Clark23
tongueriver wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:42 pm
Clark23 wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:11 pm
tongueriver wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:16 pm His kin back in NY furnished Platts with knives when he was setting up in Boulder, but before long he was making all his own knives. I don't think Utica was in the mix.
There is other topics about other knives made by Utica for Western on AAPK.
Can you give a link?
Not sure how to put a link, just look up Western States Utica in search bar

Re: Western States Sowbelly & Pick

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 9:24 pm
by edge213
wlf wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:17 am
edge213 wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:04 am
tongueriver wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:09 am I don't understand why it may have been made by Utica? I think that is highly unlikely but I am always discovering new things.
I was wondering the same. Utica?
Who do you guys believe made it? 🤷 Western ? I was thinking it looked like a Winchester.😊
Western

Re: Western States Stockman & Pick

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 10:09 pm
by tongueriver
1931 catalog cut
Western States.jpg

Re: Western States Stockman & Pick

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:06 am
by Thomasg
Clark23 wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:10 pm Hi there I have a Large Western States Sowbelly made by Utica with Etch with Western States pick
Great find . The 94 pattern I believe was only offered in the 1941 catalog pages . Most of the Pocket knifes in the “41 “ pages had limited production runs and are difficult to find .you can go to the western forum under 1940’s 94 pattern western states knife to see some more 94’s .If you would post you knife on the thread that would be great .

Re: Western States Stockman & Pick

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:12 am
by tongueriver
Thomasg wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:06 am
Clark23 wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:10 pm Hi there I have a Large Western States Sowbelly made by Utica with Etch with Western States pick
Great find . The 94 pattern I believe was only offered in the 1941 catalog pages . Most of the Pocket knifes in the “41 “ pages had limited production runs and are difficult to find .you can go to the western forum under 1940’s 94 pattern western states knife to see a few more 94’s . Also if you would post your knife on the thread that would be fantastic . Thanks for sharing .
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Re: Western States Stockman & Pick

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:39 am
by Thomasg
tongueriver wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:12 am
Thomasg wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:06 am
Clark23 wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:10 pm Hi there I have a Large Western States Sowbelly made by Utica with Etch with Western States pick
Great find . The 94 pattern I believe was only offered in the 1941 catalog pages . Most of the Pocket knifes in the “41 “ pages had limited production runs and are difficult to find .you can go to the western forum under 1940’s 94 pattern western states knife to see a few more 94’s . Also if you would post your knife on the thread that would be fantastic . Thanks for sharing .
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It does look like the 94 was offered in the 1921 catalog pages as 5394. then offered as the 53094 in 1931 catalog page you posted “ not invisible at all”’ ::handshake:: ::handshake:: ::handshake:: ::handshake:: 1941 was the only year. the dynamite knife was available .
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Re: Western States Stockman & Pick

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:46 am
by Thomasg
Thomasg wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:39 am
tongueriver wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:12 am
Thomasg wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:06 am
Great find . The 94 pattern I believe was only offered in the 1941 catalog pages . Most of the Pocket knifes in the “41 “ pages had limited production runs and are difficult to find .you can go to the western forum under 1940’s 94 pattern western states knife to see a few more 94’s . Also if you would post your knife on the thread that would be fantastic . Thanks for sharing .
My posts appear to be mostly or completely invisible.
It does look like the 94 was offered in the 1921 catalog pages page as 5394. then offered as the 53094 in 1931 catalog page you posted .1941 was the only year. the dynamite knife was available .IMG_5877.jpeg