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Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:45 am
by raincrowe
Here's one small 3 inch closed knife I need help to identify....establish an age, country, maker..ect
This little one-bladed knife has what looks to be ivory handles...long boot shaped bolsters...has an Primitive American folk style quality
The tang stamp is the depiction of an Angel behind pushing a capital S...I believe the pins in the handles are iron but can't be sure
I've tried to research this knife but came up empty handed...I would be grateful if anyone could enlighten me.. any and all information
welcome...Thanks in advance
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:13 am
by New_Windsor_NY
The tang stamp.
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:12 am
by raincrowe
Nice... Thank you for clarifying the tang stamp!!..Any idea who might have used this stamp and when?
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:13 pm
by bighomer
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:14 pm
by dlr110
If you haven't already, check the markings listed on this site.
http://germandressdaggers.com/Maker%20marks.htm
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:21 pm
by Knife Nut
Very interesting.....never seen that tang stamp before.
Will be interested to see if anyone has an answer.
Paul
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:45 pm
by Quick Steel
No answer here, but looking at the link David provided I was struck by how relatively complex the tang markings were in comparison to U.S. tangs.
One I found a little similar to the knife in question was by Pack and Sohn.
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:46 pm
by kootenay joe
It is vintage German. I have seen this marking before . When i have time i will try to find it in Anthony Carter's book on German knife makers.
kj
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:46 pm
by Gone2Three
raincrowe wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:45 am
Here's one small 3 inch closed knife I need help to identify....establish an age, country, maker..ect
This little one-bladed knife has what looks to be ivory handles...long boot shaped bolsters...has an Primitive American folk style quality
The tang stamp is the depiction of an Angel behind pushing a capital S...I believe the pins in the handles are iron but can't be sure
I've tried to research this knife but came up empty handed...I would be grateful if anyone could enlighten me.. any and all information
welcome...Thanks in advance
Can't help with identifying, but that's a neat looking old knife
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:07 pm
by Reverand
That is a really cool-looking knife!
It makes me think of a German maker as well, with the color of the bolsters and the steel pins.
It looks to be well made, from the pictures.
A great find!
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:35 pm
by raincrowe
Reverand wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:07 pm
That is a really cool-looking knife!
It makes me think of a German maker as well, with the color of the bolsters and the steel pins.
It looks to be well made, from the pictures.
A great find!
Thank you!!...The knife is extremely well made...I have researched early boots, folk knives, Early American, the Continental Army,
the Hessian Mercenaries, Hessian cutlery...ect... but come up empty handed on all... I would welcome another subject to research
Hopefully someone will solve the mystery...lol
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:39 pm
by raincrowe
kootenay joe wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:46 pm
It is vintage German. I have seen this marking before . When i have time i will try to find it in Anthony Carter's book on German knife makers.
kj
Thank you!!...I would be very grateful!!]
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:42 pm
by raincrowe
raincrowe wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:39 pm
kootenay joe wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:46 pm
It is vintage German. I have seen this marking before . When i have time i will try to find it in Anthony Carter's book on German knife makers.
k
Thank you! I have heard of Anthony Carter's book but never had opportunity to see one!
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:08 pm
by danno50
Stamp was used by C.W.Engels. The cherub with the S was registered in 1894, and possibly re-registered in 1915. Listing is on page 182 of Carter's "German Knife and Sword Makers". He does not say how long the company lasted, but does say that they were represented in New York by F.W.Engels & Co. from 1909 until 1943.
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:29 pm
by carrmillus
...now I've seen it all!!!....
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Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:41 pm
by Quick Steel
Our members are amazing.
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:50 pm
by 1967redrider
Thanks for the link!
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:30 pm
by dlr110
1967redrider wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:50 pm
Thanks for the link!
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:28 am
by raincrowe
danno50 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:08 pm
Stamp was used by C.W.Engels. The cherub with the S was registered in 1894, and possibly re-registered in 1915. Listing is on page 182 of Carter's "German Knife and Sword Makers". He does not say how long the company lasted, but does say that they were represented in New York by F.W.Engels & Co. from 1909 until 1943.
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Fantastic!! Danno50.... Great Work... I'm flabbergasted didn't think that one could be solved...Wow Thanks for your great research!!
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:54 am
by raincrowe
Wow...I can't begin to say how awesome the members were in solving this knife's history...Starting from zero this is amazing!!
Sometimes it takes a village to solve the problem great teamwork!!
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:01 am
by raincrowe
With all the good information I actually found one other knife
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ ... -497171471
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:52 pm
by kootenay joe
Thanks Dan. You are becoming the 'go to' guy for vintage German logos. Now i can take this 'look for logo' off my to do list.
kj
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:34 pm
by danno50
raincrowe wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:28 am
danno50 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:08 pm
Stamp was used by C.W.Engels. The cherub with the S was registered in 1894, and possibly re-registered in 1915. Listing is on page 182 of Carter's "German Knife and Sword Makers". He does not say how long the company lasted, but does say that they were represented in New York by F.W.Engels & Co. from 1909 until 1943.
RIMG2238.JPG
Fantastic!! Danno50.... Great Work... I'm flabbergasted didn't think that one could be solved...Wow Thanks for your great research!!
Did not take much effort on my part, I just paged through the book until I found the stamp. For anyone who has any interest at all in German knives, Carter's book is invaluable and very easy to use.
kootenay joe wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:52 pm
Thanks Dan. You are becoming the 'go to' guy for vintage German logos. Now i can take this 'look for logo' off my to do list.
kj
Roland, if it wasn't in the book, I would have been stumped!
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:26 pm
by raincrowe
I would like to thank both members... You rock!!
Re: Mysterious Boot-Shaped Knife (Angel S) Depiction
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:26 pm
by jmh58
KUDOS to ALL.. 
