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Please give a ball park value for this knife, Thanks!

Sorry to tell you but its a bad fake.

Ouch. That's gotta smart. It would have fooled me, but I don't know Case very well. Thank God for knowledgeable people like Steve.____Dave

Zero.

peanut740 wrote:Zero.

?? Zero?

ken98k wrote:

peanut740 wrote:Zero.

?? Zero?

Well heck, near zero.

Ray

Query:

Did any American knife manufacturer, prior to say, 1970, ever put genuine stag handles on a Barlow knife, 3 3/8" or 5" either one?

I don't know, but I'd like to.

I went round and round with an Ebay seller re' a genuine stag handled Robeson daddy barlow he had listed.

Robeson used the first digit "5" to denote almost all their barlow patterns and they also used it to denote genuine stag handles in their numbering system.

But, none of their barlow knives were ever made with genuine stag handles and darned few had jigged bone.

Charlie Noyes

I ask for it, but I don't believe it. zero isn't much for any knife. Why take the time to insult a member????????? Take shot fellow members!

Tell me about the fake part, can you give a refrence? A source of information would be appreciated.

Normally I consider the information on this site sound but,when my knife is involved, and it is considered a fake and worthless, with no real proof ; you have my attention. I know that most of the comments are sincere and accurate but in this "case" at bestI somebody" is having fun!

I may be mistaken about the name of this knife. Looking closer it doesn't look like a barlow, The frame isn't straight like a Barlow, this knife has a curvature in the frame. Sorry I miss-lead. I'm supprised that I wasn't corrected by an expert in these matters.

I didn`t insult you.To me the value of that knife is zero.It unfortunately is a fake.If you can,return it for a refund.I `ve been had in the past too. If I had it I would throw it in the river so someone else doesn`t get screwed.

Well Knifeaholic literally wrote the book on Case folding knives, so I always highly value his opinion on questionable knives.

Huck Finn wrote:Tell me about the fake part, can you give a refrence? A source of information would be appreciated.

Unfortunately, there is no "reference" to fakes. There are only references to legitimately manufactured knives. When a knife does not exist in the reference of the legitimately manufactured knives, that is what defines it as a fake.

Can you tell us why you think the knife was legitimately manufactured by Case in it's present condition? For example, what pattern number do you think it is?

Huck Finn wrote:I may be mistaken about the name of this knife. Looking closer it doesn't look like a barlow, The frame isn't straight like a Barlow, this knife has a curvature in the frame. Sorry I miss-lead. I'm supprised that I wasn't corrected by an expert in these matters.

The "experts" can't correct anything said about this particular knife because Case did not make a knife like this in the Tested era.

I realize this is probably not what you are hoping to hear with regard to the knife for which you are seeking the appraisal. I also realize some of the comments you have received are very short and direct. Please keep in mind: A) People are trying to help and are taking the time to respond; and B) Any negative comments are directed at the knife - not about you.

No offense, but the only reason you see curvature in that frame is because the guy that put it together ground the curvature into it while making those stag handles fit the frame.

It isn't a curved jack.

And almost any regular or curved jack with bolsters that constitute about 1/3 its length is a "barlow" pattern.

The knife you posted is a fantasy, because as Ralph stated, Case never made one, so it cannot be "counterfeit".

Whether it's worthless depends on who is opining. I'm like Roger. I'd destroy it.

Others would carry it because, after all, it is a knife, it opens, it closes and I assume it will go "cut".

It isn't useless, but it is not a collectible knife upon which anyone should spend good money.

No insult, just considered opinion.

Too many good knives out there to buy fantasies, fakes and counterfeits.

Charlie Noyes

Well, I guess now that we know what it's not, I hope you didn't pay a lot for it. However, if it were mine, I'd drop it in my pocket and used the heck out of it.

Edited

My problem with the knife is the "intent to deceive" which is evident by the branding marks on the knife. Please note that I am correlating "problem and knife" not "problem and person".

If the Case branding were removed and there was no branding or it said something like "custom knife", then I would be fine with the knife either as a using knife or a knife to be sold.

The name on the blade, and on the bolster, surely you know Case didn't ALWAYS stamp a pattern # The knife may be a fake or it may have been altered. I can see that , The stag is different but ,but I haven't heard one word from the responders about that. I think for myself and could be in error. Know one has any real reference to prove that the knife is a fake; Surely you know what a pocket knife looks like. I admit it could have been altered. Could is a BIGGGG word. I'm serious about this . HOW HAS IT BEEN ALTERED???????????????????????????

** Not an expert by any means** ___ I think Steve is basing his call on this info from his book hope all can enlarge & read** ____the knife photos are a 1940's XX 6143 with ""Iron Bolster & Liners"" and the OP's knife has what looks like Nickle Silver Bolster & Brass Liners ** __ was in the early 70's when Liners were changed to brass ___ I'm sure Steve will clarify, later ( didn't mean to butt in, just trying to help ) Still a very nice looking Case ,Huck !!!

No mention of a Stag in Parker's Pocketknife Trader book**

He posted the knife twice in the same forum and he is responding in the other thread.

Not really believing the stated opinions and requesting proof of the allegations.

A Moderator needs to combine the two threads.

I, personally, have never seen a Barlow pattern from anyone with genuine stag handles. And no one has responded to my query re' such knives.

I'm out. Nothing further to add. Fruitless discussion.

Charlie Noyes

Huck, I don't know a whole lot about Case knives, but if Steve (and some of the other members who have commented) say it's not a legitimate Case pattern, that's honestly good enough for me. It is an interesting looking knife, but it doesn't look quite right to me either. I suppose there's always a chance that the knife was made in some small room in the plant somewhere, but the legitimization of most any knife is based on records, catalogs, and actual examples that exist. Typically 1-2 of those conditions exist, and in many cases, all three do.

Hope you didn't put too much money into this one.

Huck it's quite distressing to find out that you have bought a knife that is not the genuine article, believe me I know that from experience.
If you want proof that no such knife was ever made you can find it in Sargent' Guide to american Razors and Knives on page 199 where he lists the available handle material and antler stag Is not one of them. Also I have never seen adaddy barlow stamped on the bolster like that with the long tail C and your tang stamp is very suspect as well. All bad knews I know but thems the facts.

Huck I am assuming your knife is 5inches closed. Is that correct?

I give up, you , still dodging the question. WHAT IS FAKE ABOUT THIS KNIFE??????????? What is your reference? How has it been alterd? Political correctness is nasueating, there is no escape. Responders, you deserve one another! A reflection of what our society has become. Yes I ask for it, but no more. I will exit this website for the last time.