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Need Help w/ this Keen Kutter...

Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 11:50 pm
by Gatorfleas
Would really appreciate any information on this Keen Kutter. Acquired on a trade and would like to confirm it's authenticity. Thanks in advance!!
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Re: Need Help w/ this Keen Kutter...

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 1:02 am
by Beechtree
Looks good Gatorfleas, nice knife you have there. It is hard to tell from the photos if it has been buffed or if that is its true full polish, but I would guess that it was originally etched Keen Kutter and that it has been buffed out. It looks like the blade is quite full, possibly with a reshaped tip. If you can get a photo of it flat and in better focus it could be determined. Looks to be 1930s. Nice score. I imagine it is 5 3/8ths closed?

Re: Need Help w/ this Keen Kutter...

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 1:10 am
by steve99f
That blade profile kicks azz!

Re: Need Help w/ this Keen Kutter...

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 11:49 am
by glennbad
I agree with Beechtree, does look to have blade loss and then reprofiled and buffed. Still looks like a full belly on that blade though.

Re: Need Help w/ this Keen Kutter...

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 4:24 pm
by terryl308
::tu:: Hey Gatorfleas, a couple of tips for your photo's. Try a solid color fabric or leather to lay your knife on and take the photo in the bright shade, not direct sunlight. Your camera must have auto focus like mine, the grass blades are in sharp focus but the knife is a little blurry. Looks like it might have been buffed quite a little? Nice knife however! Knives are a bitch to photograph, to eliminate the reflections. ::handshake:: Terry

Re: Need Help w/ this Keen Kutter...

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 4:38 pm
by danno50
From Sellen's book it is a 1196 3/4, manufactured between 1905 and 1920. I have one in much worse condition. The swedge, shield, pin placement, bail hole and kick on yours and mine are exact matches, so I believe yours is a good knife. However, as has been previously stated, heavily cleaned and polished. Originally it would have had a blade etch that said "TICKLER" in block letters. Would be nice to see more photos in focus. In your photos the ends of the long pull appear to be rounded, but, this could be a illusion of the photograph? I believe the ends of the pull should be cut fairly squarely, although one end of the one on mine is slightly rounded as well.
Dan

Re: Need Help w/ this Keen Kutter...

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 4:56 pm
by danno50
Here are some photos of mine. The second one shows the fairly distinctive kick and the second one shows the swedge. In the second pic it also shows the end of the long pull closest to the bolster is very slightly rounded.
Dan

Re: Need Help w/ this Keen Kutter...

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 2:24 pm
by galvanic1882
Here is one etched Tickler but is marked Walden Knife Co, I have another one marked KK with a different etch that will take pics of and post tomorrow.

Re: Need Help w/ this Keen Kutter...

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 10:45 pm
by glennbad
I just remembered I had one of these. Mine is in a state of disrepair, but it's pretty much all there.


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Re: Need Help w/ this Keen Kutter...

Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 3:12 am
by danno50
galvanic1882 wrote:Here is one etched Tickler but is marked Walden Knife Co, I have another one marked KK with a different etch that will take pics of and post tomorrow.
Beautiful knife, Mike. Quoting from Sellens: "Walden was shown as a Simmons house brand in the 1908 through 1911 Simmons catalogs". Looking forward to seeing pics of your similar KK.
Glen, that blade is fairly full, knife looks like a good candidate for one of your rebuilds.
Dan

Re: Need Help w/ this Keen Kutter...

Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 2:39 pm
by galvanic1882
Walden made knives for Simmons till they bought the factory in 1911 and probably kept the same works after that. Here is the other FH, nice ROACH-TISDALE & Co etch.

Re: Need Help w/ this Keen Kutter...

Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 5:15 pm
by danno50
Another beautiful old knife, Mike! ::tu:: There seems to be quite a bit of conflicting information concerning the relationship between EC Simmons and Walden Knife Co.

Goins say that Simmons took over controlling interest in Walden in 1911.
Sellens say that Simmons took over controlling interest in Walden in 1902.
Wikipedia also states that Simmons took over Walden in 1902, however, they cite Sellens book on Keen Kutter planes in their references, so maybe got that date from him.
Blades Guide to Knives and Their Values says that Simmons purchased Walden in 1902.
In the thread on Walden Knife Co. started by Miller Bros, he gives the date for Simmons taking over management of Walden as 1902.http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kni ... ry#p144925
The Hardware Company Kollectors Klub has an online article on Simmons Hardware Co., however, does not make any mention of either Walden or Winchester?

Goins does not give any sources or bibliography in his book (probably because that would need a larger volume than the book itself) for his date of 1911. The volume of evidence seems to point to the 1902 date for Simmons taking over Walden, however, the evidence is all interrelated and once it is stated probably self perpetuates? Sellens did look at over 20 different Simmons catalogs in preparing his book? I believe I need to do quite a bit more research on the EC Simmons Hardware Company.
Dan

Re: Need Help w/ this Keen Kutter...

Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 9:47 pm
by Miller Bro's
danno50 wrote:In the thread on Walden Knife Co. started by Miller Bros, he gives the date for Simmons taking over management of Walden as 1902.viewtopic.php?f=35&t=18255&p=144925&hilit=simmons+hardware+history#p144925
Dan, when I wrote that intro I obtained the 1902 date from an original Simmons catalog I have. In it they give that as the date they took over operations of Walden.

Re: Need Help w/ this Keen Kutter...

Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 3:01 am
by danno50
Thanks for the info, Dimitri, very helpful.
Dan

Re: Need Help w/ this Keen Kutter...

Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 2:04 pm
by galvanic1882
Thanks for the info guys, I always assumed it was 1911. The knives are great no matter!!

Re: Need Help w/ this Keen Kutter...

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:01 pm
by Gatorfleas
Once again...thanks u guys for all your input....i just love this site...nothing u can't ask and not get a answer....if everyone who wants to do knives would get on this site it would blow their mind at the help and knowledge u guys have floating around.....by the way yes i love my big KK...it is my first...thanks again guys...fleas