Those hard to find Old Timers

fergusontd · Post by **fergusontd** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:03 pm

2 USA Sharp Fingers, there's a difference in these. ftd

Meridian_Mike · Post by **Meridian_Mike** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:10 pm

Those are NICE! Difference?.... please explain.... (I see the sheaths are different)
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My next NON-folding Old Timers are gonna be the Schrade-Walden (early version) of the 165OT, the 15OT and the 410-T...
AND... then comes the Schrade-Walden Uncle Henrys... 171UH and 172UH.
Up until now, I have been concentrating on the folders only.

fergusontd · Post by **fergusontd** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:18 pm

Meridian Mike, the one on the left is slightly smaller on the handle and the sheath is different. ftd

Meridian_Mike · Post by **Meridian_Mike** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:25 pm

fergusontd wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:18 pm Meridian Mike, the one on the left is slightly smaller on the handle and the sheath is different. ftd

Got ya!....SO... is it basically a slightly smaller version of the 152?
Maybe a slight re-design....?? COOL!

kootenay joe · Post by **kootenay joe** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:25 pm

Mike the keeper strap on those 2 sheaths show them to be early sheaths, first couple of years. The knife should sit deeper into sheath so that strap abuts the handle.
kj

Meridian_Mike · Post by **Meridian_Mike** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:34 pm

kootenay joe wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:25 pm Mike the keeper strap on those 2 sheaths show them to be early sheaths, first couple of years. The knife should sit deeper into sheath so that strap abuts the handle.
kj

Ahhhhh.... thanks for that info Roland!
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IS the Schrade-Walden 15OT the same as the Schrade 152OT?
(They look a lot alike.....)

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I am just now starting to look at the fixed blade Old Timers.
I got some learnin' to do.

kootenay joe · Post by **kootenay joe** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:48 pm

The 15OT is a much bigger knife, 10 1/2" OAL.
kj

LRV · Post by **LRV** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:50 pm

Mike,
"IS the Schrade-Walden 15OT the same as the Schrade 152OT?
(They look a lot alike.....)

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Simple answer NO.. The 15OT is huge, a full size hunting bowie knife and about twice the size if the 152. 15OT was the 1st Fixed OT knife and is almost a flat grind where the 152 had a bit of a bevel.
Pictures available on my site.
http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/ ... /index.htm

Meridian_Mike · Post by **Meridian_Mike** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:52 pm

Good deal!... Thanks y'all....

jxr1197 · Post by **jxr1197** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:39 pm

Meridian_Mike wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:37 pm
tongueriver wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:28 pm How is a 50 OT different from a 5 OT?
I think they are the same.....
Seems like (and I may be wrong) I have seen people show pics of both a 5OT tamg stamp and a 50OT tang stamp and they say they are the same knife.
(maybe I need to understand exactly what I am looking for.....huh?)
(Maybe this is all a pigment of my imagination...LOL)

This one.....
The one nobody can find.....

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=54485&p=789311&hilit=50OT#p789311

(Look on this page about mid way down)

I have also heard that there are some out there with a 50OT stamp but I have never seen one. The very few I've seen pics of are all the 5OT. I don't know that these ever made it to production (LARRY?) and the two I have both trace back to jobbers - they were salesman samples. They are Ulster 50's with unique scales and an Old Timer shield. My assumption is they grabbed a bunch of 50 blades and just added a 'T'. The correct pattern number is 50OT, the tang stamps say 5OT and the flyers say 500 T (as in five hundred T).

Meridian_Mike · Post by **Meridian_Mike** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:47 pm

Thanks Jason!

jxr1197 · Post by **jxr1197** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:11 pm

Meridian_Mike wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:47 pm Thanks Jason!

I had one more thing to add on those 50OTs. The handle material is a transition plastic that fits in between bone and Delrin and it's uncharacteristically easy to date to about 1961. It looks like smooth brown plastic until you get up close and shine a good light on it - then it lights up like a disco ball. It's filled with gold and copper flake. I had one with a big split in the handle so I had it rehandled in bone and kept the old handles to put in a display.

jxr1197 · Post by **jxr1197** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:47 am

This hard to find Old Timer arrived in today's mail. It popped up on Ebay last week and the seller's pics and description were so bad that nobody realized it was a minty clean bone handled 8OT. Somebody bid on it the first day and then it sat for the rest of the week with no more bids or watchers. I bid in the final seconds and there were no other snipers on it. I nabbed it for just 2 bucks above the opening bid.

The main ad pic looked like a run of the mill Delrin knife at a quick glance.

kootenay joe · Post by **kootenay joe** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:14 pm

A bone 8OT, only made for 1 year, maybe 1959 ?, as special and hard to find as a 2OT. I am so jealous

But, your time invested in ebay searching paid off handsomely. Congratulations !
kj
Edit: i am going to search ebay right now. Surely there is another one hiding there !

tongueriver · Post by **tongueriver** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:02 pm

Wow! I know that it is hard to believe, but I felt just the slightest pang of jealousy there! That is how it's supposed to work! Great catch!

Meridian_Mike · Post by **Meridian_Mike** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:08 pm

Good snag Jason.....
I think I might have been the other bidder on that one. I had NO IDEA it was a bone handled 8OT.... I just put my bid in based on the tang stamp alone.
Good catch dude!

Meridian_Mike · Post by **Meridian_Mike** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:36 pm

I got myself this here 51 OT...Not really that rare but not that cheap when you do find one. This one looks unused so this one is going in my collection display.
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Not NEARLY as rare as what you found Jason....
(Thanks for snatching that rug out from under my feet..

...Just kidding ....LOL)

jxr1197 · Post by **jxr1197** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:31 pm

kootenay joe wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:14 pmSurely there is another one hiding there

I tell myself this daily with regards to whatever I'm hunting -

tongueriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:02 pmThat is how it's supposed to work!

Indeed!

Meridian_Mike wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:08 pmI had NO IDEA it was a bone handled 8OT....

Betcha never let that happen again

. It was the price that caught my eye. They were asking just a little too much for a clean Delrin knife. I clicked on it to see what the story was. Turns out the seller didn't know what he had and just pulled a number out of thin air when pricing it. I take no credit being a super sleuth - it was dumb luck.

Those damaged brown plastic handles I posted in this thread the other day came off of a 50OT - but I didn't include a pic of what became of the knife...it looks right at home wearing saw cut bone -

kootenay joe · Post by **kootenay joe** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:54 pm

After reading about the bone 8OT find, i did go to ebay, and i found an 8OT. With yellow handles for $9.50 !
Not quite as special as the bone one

It is marked "8OT", not "8OTY", "Y" for yellow.
And i think a bunch of these showed up soon after Schrade closed and were likely made in Camillus factory using left over Schrade blades.
Any opinions about my GREAT score

kj

Shearer · Post by **Shearer** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:08 am

kootenay joe wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:54 pm After reading about the bone 8OT find, i did go to ebay, and i found an 8OT. With yellow handles for $9.50 !
Not quite as special as the bone one
It is marked "8OT", not "8OTY", "Y" for yellow.
And i think a bunch of these showed up soon after Schrade closed and were likely made in Camillus factory using left over Schrade blades.
Any opinions about my GREAT score
kj

Look this up and will see what you have.
https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/co ... er-knives/

Grant

LRV · Post by **LRV** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:00 am

http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/ ... 0-CATS.pdf

1990 both the 34OTY and 8OTY where introduced.

kootenay joe · Post by **kootenay joe** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:25 am

Thanks. The chart is useful for correct' knives. This one is marked Schrade/USA 8OT. There is no "Y".
I vaguely recall a discussion of these in Schrade/BF about 12 ? years ago and the thought was that some of the yellow 8OT's were made with 8OT blades, not the blade marked "8OTY".
Or, it could be an end of days knife ?
And, i think some yellow Schrade 8OT's were made or assembled in Camillus factory right after Schrade closed.
Plus, after Schrade closed, yellow handled 8OT's from China showed up and they were marked "8OTY".
There is more than 1 possibility for the origin of this knife which is why i bid for it. I was hoping 'you guys' might know how to sort out the yellow handles and absent "Y" on this 'Schrade' knife.
kj

jxr1197 · Post by **jxr1197** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:19 am

kootenay joe wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:25 amThis one is marked Schrade/USA 8OT. There is no "Y".

Have you seen an 8OTY tang stamp? I was looking at this post and can't remember ever coming across one. I've got the same 8OTY with the regular 8OT stamp and 'SCHRADE' marked federal shield. I've seen '8OTY' boxes but never the stamp and the only 8OTYs I have seen with Old Timer shields are Chinese. A quick google search didn't show an image of the 8OTY stamp. I think your knife is correct, but now I'm curious - does anyone here have a pic of a 'Y' tang stamp?

Meridian_Mike · Post by **Meridian_Mike** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:33 am

kootenay joe wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:54 pm After reading about the bone 8OT find, i did go to ebay, and i found an 8OT. With yellow handles for $9.50 !
Not quite as special as the bone one
It is marked "8OT", not "8OTY", "Y" for yellow.
And i think a bunch of these showed up soon after Schrade closed and were likely made in Camillus factory using left over Schrade blades.
Any opinions about my GREAT score
kj

Heck yeah! That is a great score Roland!
That is a beautiful example of an 8OTY....congrats on the find!

Meridian_Mike · Post by **Meridian_Mike** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:37 am

jxr1197 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:19 am
kootenay joe wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:25 amThis one is marked Schrade/USA 8OT. There is no "Y".
Have you seen an 8OTY tang stamp? I was looking at this post and can't remember ever coming across one. I've got the same 8OTY with the regular 8OT stamp and 'SCHRADE' marked federal shield. I've seen '8OTY' boxes but never the stamp and the only 8OTYs I have seen with Old Timer shields are Chinese. A quick google search didn't show an image of the 8OTY stamp. I think your knife is correct, but now I'm curious - does anyone here have a pic of a 'Y' tang stamp?

I just thought the "Y" was just to distinguish the description from the regular 8OT on a sales sheet or the box it came in..... I haven't ever seen one that had the "Y" on the tang stamp.
If they are out there.... let's see one.

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