Guns & Gun Related Stuff

[FRJ]

Thanks guys.
Dave, those John Browning 380's are the cats ass.
To be clear, my remark was "pancreas parter"; a wise remark implying separating one from a perfectly good working pancreas.
Leading to the conviction that home invasion has it's down side.
And Quick Steel, do you get to have a 66 and a 19? Is that what those revolvers are? Very nice what ever they are.
And your other guns too. Very nice!
Great guns, Dogg and Blue.

[FRJ]

Phillip, if we want to carry, there always seems to be a trade off one way or another.
Live and learn, indeed. Guns require a lot of consideration. The Army loaned me a M-14. Thankfully, I only shot it at targets, but I loved shooting it. My pistol is a 32 cal.

PS: I'm glad Miss Joy packs iron.

[Quick Steel]

FRJ: Love the M-14. My first rifle; a great battle rifle though I appreciated the M-16 later in country for its light weight. But when I think rifle, I think M-14.

That is a S&W 66. As you probably know it was discontinued for a few years, but has now been brought back. The black revolver is the M-14 S&W Target Master: .38 special. Truly exceptional accuracy. Its worthy of a much better shooter than me. The Ruger .357 snubbies are a blast and great conversation starters. One resides at bedside; the other beneath a towel in the bathroom.

[Colonel26]

QS, I love them wheel guns. If I could only have one handgun to cover all bases it'd be a 357 revolver.

Here are the ones that currently live at my house.

First is a S&W 65-3. It was a police gun, shoots like a champ. I like the heavy 4 inch barrel. It's currently loaded with jacketed 158 grain LFN 357 Federals.

Second is a Ruger 1911 commander 45 acp. I carry it daily in a Galco King Tuk iwb holster, very comfortable. I'm shooting 230 grain ball right now, but I'm about to try some of those federal defensive hollow points.

Third is MY WIFE'S GUN. It's a (choke, cough, choke) GLOCK 26 9mm. Long story short, this was her Christmas present. I sent her down to the LGS to pick out a gun and initially she picked out a Kimber UltraCarry II 45 acp (3 inch barrel 1911). But as her MS symptoms increased on a bad day she can't rack the slide. The Glock she can. So he Kimber will become mine! Silver lining to every cloud. Lol She prefers the smaller 1911's, but with her limitations has to make do with the tools that work. I will say though, it ain't a bad shooter. I don't like the grip, but it shoots well for a small gun.

[jerryd6818]

I'm still the proud owner of some wheel guns, blue steel and walnut handles . When I first started paying attention to the polymer pistols, I remembered being introduced to the M-16 and "Mattel toy" came to mind after all our training with an M-14. Live and learn.
Treefarmer

McNamara's Rodent Rifle --- It's made by Mattel, it's swell.

[Quick Steel]

Col26: All fine choices. In .45 I have always found a Commander size works best for me. And the Ruger 1911 received excellent reviews.


rangerbluedog: Wish my memory was better but I as I recall "Wild Bill" Hitchcock carried a pair of Colt Navies in .36 caliber. But I suppose they were a later model. If I'm right at all.

[CheckSix]

Joe, I agree! those Colt M1908's are slim, great little carry guns!

JerryD... yep! the Mattel mouse gun. Designed so that soldiers could carry more rounds. Albeit, less effective rounds though. The M-14 chambered in 7.62 NATO doesn't suffer from that problem... it's only wart, was weight. I think bone stock, they come in around 10 lbs.

Funny thing, I put together my own AR15 earlier this year and incorporated all the features I really wanted, like a full length key-mod guard for attachments, holographic red dot sight + swing away 3x magnifier, adjustable stock, match grade CrV 18" barrel and you know what happened??? It weighed in unloaded at 9-1/2 lbs!!! hahahaha...!!! Lightweight is overrated.

I think the M-14 is one of the best battle rifles ever designed. Chambered in what is essentially the 308Win.... I'm toying with the idea of building an AR-10 now with a piston conversion, instead of gas tube.

Here's the earlier this year build rifle... with a Busse Axe Hammer combat knife... I posted this elsewhere but it's a cool combo.

[CheckSix]

Colonel26,
that Glock 26 is a great little striker fire piece and ultimately reliable. I've been looking at the Glock 26 Gen 4 and one of the things I really like, is that it will take any Glock double stack 9mm magazine. You can run a Glock 17 or 19 magazine if you want to for extended capacity.

[zp4ja]

Remember guys once a year it is recommended to shoot off and replace your personnel defense ammo,for me I'm changing from Hornady SD to Federal Premium Hydra Shock JHP I am wondering what you guys use for self-defense??

As far as ammo goes dogg, I carry a mix. Never without 2 spare mags for each gun I choose to carry that day.
Currently, first loaded mag and chambered round is RIP ammo, "Radically Invasive Projectile". 12 layer denim penetration and the trocards split/splinter off from main projectile.
2 or more dollars per trigger pull though.
Then, SIG hollow points. Then SIG or other manufacturer ball ammo in last mag, heavy as I can get as far as grains.
Like fishing, sometimes you have to change your presentation to be effective.
A pic of a 10mm RIP round below.

Ted Nugent is selling ammo now. The quote on the box is priceless as only Ted (man after my own heart) does.
Shot some .357 of his in Dad's Python. 1740 fps as I recall. REALLY HOT STUFF!

For sheepdog duty, I usually carry these 2 SIGS with 2 spare mags each as stated. And 2 CASE stags. My favorite carry of all. Honestly hope never need to use it but there if I need them. If I had a one gun choice, 10 mm all day every day. .357 velocity and larger grains in a slide gun. You only need one.

Jerry

[CheckSix]

Nice Sigs Jerry! 10mm is one cartridge I've never owned. I stayed with the 45acp. I think the full power 10mm round has superior ballistics though.

[jerryd6818]

JerryD... yep! the Mattel mouse gun. Designed so that soldiers could carry more rounds. Albeit, less effective rounds though. The M-14 chambered in 7.62 NATO doesn't suffer from that problem... it's only wart, was weight. I think bone stock, they come in around 10 lbs.

"Weight (With Cleaning Equipment) 9.1 pounds
Weight (With Full Magazine and Cleaning Equipment) 10.1 pounds "

When I wore a younger man's clothes I knew those specs off the top of my head and didn't have to look them up.

[Colonel26]

Jerry I've read the ballistics in those 10mm. Pretty impressive. I've been tempted to invest in one myself. Maybe after I get this second 45 bought.

What's the recoil like compared to a 45 1911 of a 357 revolver?

[zp4ja]

Jerry I've read the ballistics in those 10mm. Pretty impressive. I've been tempted to invest in one myself. Maybe after I get this second 45 bought.

What's the recoil like compared to a 45 1911 of a 357 revolver?

Swing by my place Dave my friend, I will let you give it a try. Ballastics are pretty amazing. Surpass .357. Basically, with Buffalo Bore ammo can have same fps with about 50 grains heavier bullet. Around 1350 fps for 180 grain or more depending on ammo. They also make a 1500 fps 155 grain. A company makes a 77 grain that goes about 2400 fps but it is frangible so I won't use it. Yes, I want to go thru walls. Also bought the SIG P220 COMBAT TB .45 caliber a few months back. Amazing gun and heck of alot lighter than my 10mm. Carry that when I need to rest my hips.

Wade, recoil is minimal due to 44 ounce loaded weight. Yep, almost 3 pounds. Balance is incredible. Throws a spent cartridge about 40 foot to the right and 10 feet back. The model I carry is the only DA/SA SIG makes. Not even on their website. All those are SAO. Made exclusive for one gun broker only.

Had a duplicate never fired safe queen until Christmas day.
Gifted to my son. "Best Christmas present ever" he says over and over since 2 days ago.

Take care my friends, Jerry

[zp4ja]

Oh, forgot, it has a 5 inch barrel. Something about a handgun that can take down big game if needed just appeals to me. A local cop here in town has an identical one took out a 400 pound wild boar with one round in Idaho this year. If you are willing to sacrifice comfort for firepower, this is my choice everyday.
Jerry

[Colonel26]

Oh, forgot, it has a 5 inch barrel. Something about a handgun that can take down big game if needed just appeals to me. A local cop here in town has an identical one took out a 400 pound wild boar with one round in Idaho this year. If you are willing to sacrifice comfort for firepower, this is my choice everyday.
Jerry

Very cool. I was just reading an article the other day about Sig's new 220 10mm offerings. What kind of holster do you tote it in? I'd imagine at that weight it'd need to be a decent holster with double belt clips spread wide apart. I know that works for me. The Galco King Tuk makes a 1911 really comfortable.

[CheckSix]

Many years ago, a friend lent me his Freedom Arms Model 83 single action revolver in 454 Casull. After getting acquainted with it, it forever cured me of any recoil issues I ever had. 270gr, .45 caliber bullets at 1900fps.

Quick demo video....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CyzmNBz-QA

[Black Lion]

It's a shame to see people dissing the M-16; especially those who actually carried one. After the improvements were made it was a fantastic weapon and proved itself so well that same platform is still in use. The M-14 was a great trench-warefare weapon but was miserable to hump the jungles with. It is a great rifle that was pressed into the wrong type of warfare. That said leaves more to be said:

I was sent back to Lai Khe to get my financial straightened out since I hadn't been paid for three months. Oh, I got money every payday but just a bare minimum amount; a sum I don't even recall but enough for cigarettes and writing materials when someone was making a PX run while back in Lai Khe, our basecamp. So while I'm back there battalion asked our company for volunteers to sweep outside our sector of the perimeter for infiltration evidence and routes. So...Mastrogiavani, Gonci and Hoffman were assigned to me and we pulled sweeps the following day. Prior to our mission Gonci hits up the armor, Sgt. Butler, for an M-14, mags and ammo. Before heading out Gonci disappears for 1/2 hour then reappears with the slightly modified M-14; barrel shortened, stock cut off behind the pistol grip and the thing sprayed with OD and black paint...mods made at the motorpool next to our company area.

So we made the sweeps that day then returned to the company area. On the way back to our barracks Gonci swings into the supply hut and turns his drawn weapon in then exits with Butler fast on his heels. "GD it, Gonci! That was a brand new 14!" (I cleaned that up some) and the hollering and cussing continued as we continued down the company road. For the rest of the sweeps Gonci had to carry his 16. Butler wouldn't let us draw ANYTHING after that.

In regard to the 1911's...the only ones I saw were in RVN and pretty much wornout. Issued as a last resort/secondary weapon it didn't matter much as long as it would shoot. The running joke about their effective range was "Depends on how far you can throw it.".

Snub-nosed...my bro-in-law had this "thing" about wanting to owning a snub-nosed .38 and so he finally bought one some years ago. My dad had stacked railroad ties across his back yard up in WI and those served as a backstop for target shooting with his .22 rifle. And so B.I.L. shows up one weekend with his brand new snub-nosed, loads it up and fires off 6 shots at the target about 75 yards away. He walks up, inspects the target and sees no holes so...reloads tries again at about 50 yards...same scenario. This continues until he's shortened the distance to about 50 feet and then there was, finally, a hole in the target. Totally irritated with our laughing he reloads, moves up to about 30 feet, takes aim and fires. The next thing that happens is him hopping around on one foot while holding his shin and cussing up a storm. The bullet hit the target, bounced off the ties and hit him on the shin. It didn't break the skin but he sure had a big black and blue lump as a souvenier.

The next time he showed up to shoot at my dad's place he'd got rid of the .38 and had a .22 target pistol.

[zp4ja]

Wade,
Everyone I talk to is stunned I carry a full size. Just like a full size gun. Inside waistband right hip. Clip to belt on outside. I carry all my guns and mags in Mernickle leather. Made about 100 miles from me all by hand from locals. Not imported.not only local but perfect fit.
All are custom made to manufacturer and model. Not one size fits all. Will take some pics of my holsters when I get home.
By the way, beauty of a carry you have there.
Jerry

[Colonel26]

Thanks Jerry. That's exactly how I carry. Right hip iwb. Nothing like leather.

[CheckSix]

It's a shame to see people dissing the M-16; especially those who actually carried one. After the improvements were made it was a fantastic weapon and proved itself so well that same platform is still in use. The M-14 was a great trench-warefare weapon but was miserable to hump the jungles with. It is a great rifle that was pressed into the wrong type of warfare. That said leaves more to be said:

Hi there Black Lion! Welcome to AAPK! I don't think we were dissing the M16 (or AR15) but rather comparing the 5.56 NATO cartridge, with the 7.62 NATO round. There is no question that the 5.56 allowed a soldier to carry more ammo and there is also no question, that the 7.62 was a much more powerful round. Like many things, the M16 had teething issues in the beginning. As you noted, once straightened out, it has had a very long run in the military arsenal. It's light recoil allowed a lot of initially non-shooters, to become effective shooters and that is a benefit. Personally, I prefer the 7.62 and up cartridges. I have a few rifles in 223 and have used them on rodents and vermin to good effect.

Here's a partial sampling of what I reload for....
223 on the far left, 416 Rigby on the far right and a lot of cool cartridges in between.

[rangerbluedog]

Col26: All fine choices. In .45 I have always found a Commander size works best for me. And the Ruger 1911 received excellent reviews.


rangerbluedog: Wish my memory was better but I as I recall "Wild Bill" Hitchcock carried a pair of Colt Navies in .36 caliber. But I suppose they were a later model. If I'm right at all.

You are correct Sir!

[treefarmer]

Black Lion, check your PMs.

[Black Lion]

I guess my previous post came off a bit on the harsh side but it wasn't meant to be as such. And so I apologize to any that I may have offended with it.

The 16 was a good weapon in a couple of ways....

During a ground attack the wire was breeched and we had VC crawling around the NDP right up to our bunkers. One of our medics, Bill Johnson, was crawling from one bunker to another to attend to wounded and as he crawled across the front of a bunker he ran into a VC crawling the other way. The VC poked at Bill with his AK and hit him in the nose with the muzzle. Doc Johnson then stood up and beat the VC nearly to death with his M-16 then continued on to the bunker he was headed for. The next day when he was asked why he didn't just shoot the VC Bill replied "I dunno. He hit me in the nose and it just p****d me off." The VC and Bill's M-16 did not survive the ordeal.

[Quick Steel]

Black Lion: As I indicated previously, I love the M-14: its effective range, its power, and the fact that it introduced me to shooting. In RVN I appreciated the M-16 for its reduced weight, more ammo, excellent accuracy, and it proved to be sufficiently lethal. One reservation: When we were operating in the coastal provinces the M-16 was just about ideal because of the relatively open topography. When working in the denser jungles of the central highlands, encounters tended to be quite close but with very short fields of fire due to all the vegetation. In these conditions I preferred working with an Ithaca combat shotgun which proved to be very practical. Yet even there most of the lads used the M-16s to good effect.

[jerryd6818]

Before heading out Gonci disappears for 1/2 hour then reappears with the slightly modified M-14; barrel shortened, stock cut off behind the pistol grip and the thing sprayed with OD and black paint...mods made at the motorpool next to our company area.

I re-read this post and found nothing in it that I considered "harsh" or offensive except for that dude butchering a perfectly good M-14.

Not doubting your word in the least. Just wanted to say I see no advantage to cutting off the barrel. you lose the sights and can't go back very far because the gas port is so far forward. I do question that Doggie's judgment but then what do I know? I was never in the shirt so I have no frame of reference.