Old Hawkbills

dewman · Post by **dewman** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:28 pm

I came into the possession of this old Case XX hawkbill last week. Any suggestions as to what I should do with it as far as restoration/cleanup?
The handles are bone, but the red color is very dark. I took a little Comet and a Scotch brite and gently gave it a scrubbing. What'd ya' think. Any suggestions? The opening snap is "not too bad, and the half stop on closing isn't too bad, but the closing snap leaves a lot to desired.

Dewman

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:17 am

hey charlie, looks like some of those pruners are cousins. great old hawks.

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:37 am

Jonet143, I think the Ulster, Kingston, and Dunlap came from the same place.

dewman, I suspect that Case hawk is quite worn, and would make a good rough user, but maybe a knife maker can give you some tips. Are you sure the handles are bone?

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:48 am

Dewey, the handles are pakkawood not bone, I'd refrain from using comet and/or scotch brite to clean the handles. 0000 steel wool and oil does the job just as well and isn't as aggressive to the material. It'd make a good user.

Charlie, Ha! That's just like my kingston hawk, even went to check my roll to make sure it was still there

Looks like I need an ulster and a dunlap to match it.

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:58 am

Today was just hawkerrific. I got these three in the mail this morning, two NIB 1988 case and a boker "coal miner" near mint

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:11 am

my only pruners, a 75 and 77 laminated wood (pakkawood) pair. not as old as some of the beauties shown but 30+ years old. they snap like one of sunbursts gators.

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:45 am

NIB, Kaleb! You are moving up in the world!!

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:01 pm

haha, I guess you're right Charlie

Nice Cases Jhonnie, that's one brand I don't have, yet

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:53 pm

Ya"ll just keep on posting those hawkerrific beauty's...I can supply snapping gators but not those bladed beauty's you are showing...

Sunburst

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:07 pm

upnorth wrote:I think the Ulster, Kingston, and Dunlap came from the same place.

I agree Charlie. I think they are identical triplets, identical except for the tang stamp.

Goins’ says:
"Dunlap USA c 1877-1930 Founded in 1872 as Johnson & Dunlap Hardware, in Macon, Georgia. The named became Dunlap Hardware in 1877. Samuel S. Dunlap was the owner."

"Dunlop USA c 1938-1942 A trademarked use by Sears, Roebuck & Co. (named after the Sears hardware buyer, Thomas M. Dunlap). This was their “middle” Price brand, with "Sta-Sharp” the top line and “Kwik-Kut” the low-priced brand."

BRL4:
"Dunlap by Camillus for Sears................c 1930s
Tom Dunlap was the hardware buyer for Sears Roebuck; he created craftsman tools in 1926."

Both Goins and BRL4 list they J Dunlap that were imported from Germany. Which does not matter in this discussion.

What has thrown me off in this entire discussion was the name Dunlop.

Is Goins' listing of Dunlop a typo? Should it really be Dunlap? I am thinking this may be the case.

Does anyone know for sure? Inquiring minds (or at least mine) want to know.

BRL4 says Dunlap was made by Camillus for Sears. That was probably true when Albert Baer was still working for Adolph Kastor prior to the time he bought Ulster in 1941. After that I imagine some of the Dunlap patterns were probably made by Ulster. We know there is a direct connection between Ulster in Kingston. We also know that the Sears' buyers really liked Albert Baer. We know that they did transfer many of the patterns that Kastor made for them over to Ulster. I would say it is a pretty safe assumption, that the Dunlap was also made by Ulster since it is almost identical to the Ulster and Kingston.

I am listing pictures of the tang stamps of both Dunlap hawkbills that I have.
I wonder if it is possible to determine from the tang stamp, whether Camillus or Ulster made either of these knives? If I had to guess I would say the first one was made by Camillus and #2 was made by Ulster.

Dale

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:19 am

these aren't old, but this seems to be the "official" hawkbill thread so here goes.

A Klein made in Sheffield England

and an inox,

I like the shape of the inox blade.

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:25 am

I got a couple more this week.
A Queen City that needs a bit of work & an unused Camillus with a Crescent Tool #10 blade etch. The etch didn't show up well on the scan, but it is much better than the scan shows.
It goes nicely with my TL-29 Camillus with the Crescent Tool #11 blade etch.

Dale

smiling-knife · Post by **smiling-knife** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:44 am

More great e.g.s, everyone

Dale.... you're developing quite a collection

. No new additions for me in quite awhile now. Keep on showing them please.

s-k

tank · Post by **tank** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:22 am

My new one isn't old but I'm proud of it.

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:10 am

tank wrote:My new one isn't old but I'm proud of it.

And rightly so!! A fine lookin' Hawk!
Who knew FR made one???

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:33 am

charlie, i know things like that rooster hawk

is a reason we keep chasin steel. nice fr tank. how long is it closed?

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:06 am

jonet143 wrote: nice fr tank. how long is it closed?

Probably a long time! All night for sure

!!

dewman · Post by **dewman** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:13 am

Now see what you guys have done! I started reading this thread about hawkbills and suddenly, I'm knee deep in the things!

Of course, nothing like some of the fine old collectables I've seen posted here, but still...like Tank said...."It isn't old, but I'm still proud of it". So, here's my meager collection.

I suppose you could, by some stretch of the imagination, call the three bladed Klein electricians knife a hawkbill, eh?

tank · Post by **tank** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:02 am

LOL Charlie

It's 4-3/8ths closed Jonet

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:24 am

Here's an ebay wonder (I WONDER why I buy so many knives), that I just received. Schrade made a lot of white handled knives for the Flower business. A lot of them have "SAY IT WITH FLOWERS" etched on the handles, probably as premium gifts for flower shops/retailers.
This one will be closed most of the time

!
And it's 3 7/8" long!

Mossdancer · Post by **Mossdancer** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:35 am

Hi;
Only the bottom is a Hawkbill a three blade three spring colonial, the top is a schrade walden elec.
moss

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:07 pm

nice hawks everyone. Love that florist hawk Charlie, I'm still looking for one of those in halfway recognizeable condition. I usually only see ones that have only a sliver left, or close to it.

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:26 pm

Look what the mail man just brought!

A Schrade Cut Co Hawkbill.

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:15 am

Cut. Co.s rule!!

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:52 am

Wow!

9 pages of HAWKBILLS

Who would have thought there are that many people who collect Hawkbills???

Here is a real beauty from Butch TN that I got today from ebay.
A Schrade 136 that hasn't been sharpened. About as close to mint as you can find a 24 year old knife (at least 24 years) that was made to be a working tool and not a safe queen.
It still has the blade etch. Now I wonder, who would use a hawkbill for a skinning knife???

Thanks Butch!

Dale