What do you do with your fake knives? .308 versus a fake!

[zp4ja]

As the post title says, what do you do with your fake knives?

Study and learn? Hang onto it as a reminder? Engrave the blades "Fake" or "Counterfeit". Donate it to a knife museum? God forbid sell it to some other person to recoup your losses because you got burned (a awful thing to do, IMO)? Personally the last point, I will not go there.

After the study and learn why part, total destruction is my choice. My Dad bought hundreds of knives and got duped on one fake. Not a bad percentage but wish it was none. I did not realize he had it till after he passed. He spent $250 on this fake POS.

This knife was the subject of my first ever post on AAPK. It looked quite odd as it was way too clean for a 100+ year old knife. I had a pretty good idea it was fake. Sure enough, it was. For education purpose, the link is always there.

I had several people want to buy it actually as a user and declined. My son wanted it and I told him no.
So, for 2 + years this knife sits on a very visible shelf in my office where I see several times daily.

Headed out to the range today with my AR-10 .308 to have some trigger and scope time. As I am packing up the gear, I glance over, see this POS and decide what better way to make sure this knife is not recirculated after I am in the ground. For education purpose, the link is always there.

After shooting targets and plates awhile, I have about 6 rounds left and I tape it out at 100 yards. Awful strong winds changing directions and a small POS target. She almost survived this time/attempt but it must have been meant to be. Literally down to one round left with me and what you see in the pic is what you get with a .308 165 grain bullet. God only knows where the missing pieces and the pile side liner and scale ended up. I looked for 15 minutes but no dice. Not much chance of someone else being duped by this one again now.

I like the knife much better now and it's busted up self is back in the same spot on the shelf in the office.

Kids, do not try this at home and consult your local laws before attempting this type of dealing with a Counterfeit POS.

So as to the original question, what do you do with your fake/counterfeit knives? Personally happy with the disposal of mine. Never will dupe someone again. Who knows what our heirs will do when we are gone. Just my opinion but I think they should all be destroyed. We have enough pictures and new ones being pumped out daily to educate ourselves on what to look for from now till kingdom come, again, in my opinion.

What say you?

Regards, Jerry

EDIT: Now with recovered pics

[ken98k]

Ya, I was trying to post and there is no provision for adding pics now.

[treefarmer]

Interesting! Would love to see the pictures, nothing opens on this end . I'm not into real collecting enough to have had the experience of purchasing a fake, but following the AAPK forum, I'm learning to spot these as you more informed collectors expose and comment on these things as they pop up pretty regularly.
Treefarmer

[zp4ja]

Yea TF, the pics are pretty indicative of this knife not going back into circulation for sure. Pile side and blades are destroyed. I sure do like my new office piece.

Looks like the forum lost some pics and the abilty to post pics. Will post them when we are back online.

Thanks for all you do for the forum Bryan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jerry

[philco]

I bet Myrtlefaye could still save it.

[djknife13]

I purchased a fake, Pakastan made large (6&1/4 inch) checkered wood scaled, locking hunter made to look like an Early English J. Rogers. It has the Rogers star and cross on the back side with No.6 on the front and Superior Pocket Knife out on the blade. If I could get this dial-up computer to put a picture on AAPK I would post some Pic's. I knew it was fake and the seller made sure anyone looking at it knew that too so there was no attempt to mis-lead. I paid about $25 for the knife because these Pak. fakes are an historical part of the knife story, and frankly I like the knife. Although not up to Sheffield quality, it's a pretty well made knife and is likely nearing 100 years old. A few of these counterfeit's have earned a spot in my safe. Now a german made Case or Ka-Bar that might fool me out of $250 is another story and I would probably not give it quite the sporting chance you gave yours.

[Capt. Farrel]

LOL! That reminds me of a watch forum I was once a member of. They did such things to Chinese fake watches too.

[Elvis]

I've bought a few over the years just to get them off the market (as long as they were cheap enough). Some are still intact as a reminder of what some people will do for money and others have been disassembled for whatever parts could be used in experiments that weren't going to have a brand name on them. None that I've bought have ever been sold nor will they be, but I've got several blades that are marked Case Tested that have been removed from old Schrade and Queen frames. So far, all have proven to be stainless which Case didn't use in that era in any of their folding knives. I plan on giving those blades to a friend at the Case factory just to let them know what's out there. Aside from that, I think the .308 or a reasonable substitute is a great solution.

[FRJ]

Here's my fake.
When I bought this knife I was ALL giddy. I really liked the look of it and still do. Cmon, a congress jack, how could you not like this thing. But I soon was made aware of the questionable "pedigree?" and was disappointed in the purchase but not the knife, although I engraved "fake" on the tang. 3 3/4"
I haven't sharpened it or carried it yet, but I will some day.
It's a well made knife and I like it a lot and I aint about to destroy it.
It will go to one of my kids and when I explain the knife they will do right by it.
Thanks

[edgy46]

Here are my two (that I know of). The first is like FRJ's and the other is a frankenknife that I bought ol Clyde knowing what it was. I have had a lot of fun with it. I describe it as a Case 1/2 muskrat made on contract by Schrade.

[zp4ja]

Hello Gents,

Thanks for the replies.

I would like to stress that everyone is free to purposely buy, carry, collect, keep after realization, etc, any fake knife that they wish. After all, they are your knives whether fake or authentic and you are free to do with as you please.
I personally equate this to, for instance, someone that want to take an old, historical, authenic knife in mint shape and rehandle it. I may or may not do it to a knife I own, but it is their knife and choice. To each his own, whom am I to judge so I respect that.
I think that I have thouroughly vetted my collection of this one fake and any additional I might find will meet the same fate as the one pictured above in the OP. Just how I choose to do it and I am sure/hope you can respect my decision as I do yours.
That being said, I personally cannot bring myself to carry or collect a counterfeit knife. I personally do not care about the quality of the fake or whether it can cut thruough steel girders. The fact that some hack purposely went to the trouble in his shop to make deceit for profit would prevent me from enjoying or carrying such a knife. A knife like that has no place in my safe or pockect but as I said, to each his own. No offense or judgement by me who chose to do so!

I think the important part of the discussion that is relevant is that counterfeiting hurts certain types of knifers more than others. People knowingly buying fakes for users or collecting (which I respect as I said) is one thing, they are not too hurt by the deceit. The newbie on ebay that is wanting to start a collection and "buys before he studies" is another story. He gets burned and is turned off to the hobby. Or worse yet, resells the damn fake to sour another possible new collector.

Personally, for collectors of knives, I think counterfeiting is a huge issue. Sorry, but unless we have some advanced fake collectors out there will to drop big dollars on fakes (shill bids asides), people are getting burned daily in large numbers on eaby. All you need to do is look at the Counterfeit Forum here. Ebay is exacerbating the counterfeiting by lack of enforcement, global exposure for these hacks and the almighty dollar and fees.

My 200 cents.

Not to single any reponses out but Joe, I do appreciate the fact the marked the knife as "fake". Again, just my personal opinion.

Bob, if you have an extra TESTED blade, send it to me and I will make sure it is not usable again by the same fate. I will pay the postage my friend.

Regards, Jerry

[Elvis]

Bob, if you have an extra TESTED blade, send it to me and I will make sure it is not usable again by the same fate. I will pay the postage my friend.
Regards, Jerry

A kind offer Jerry, and I have no doubt that if I sent them to you, you wouldn't hesitate to do the right thing in that they would never see the inside of a knife again, but I still plan to hand them over the Production Manager at Case. Yes, I could easily grind the tang stamp off with my belt grinder, but I think by leaving them intact it will give them a good idea of what's out there and how well the tamg stamps are done. There too, there would be no chance of them ever being used again.

At the moment I have a XX Folding Hunter fake (stainless with celluloid scales) and 2 fake "Tested Era" stainless blades (from a very nice old Queen frame) to give them at the Case Reunion this August. Maybe I'm just being optimistic, but I'm hoping it might get them to pay attention to the fakes running the ebay circuit too while we're at it.

[zp4ja]

Hey Bob,

I do respect your choice and think it is a great approach to dealing with this issue. I hope it yields some fruit.

Regards, Jerry

[Lansky1]

I was perusing some really OLD threads on a saturday morning & thought this one was worthy of resurfacing for those newer members that may not have seen it. Talk about an epic way to dispose of a fake Case Classic - love it !!

[OLDE CUTLER]

He definitely put that one out of its misery!!

[RobesonsRme.com]

I used to donate them to The National Knife Museum, but that isn't an option any longer. And TommyGG has probably sold them all on Ebay by now.

I the one thing I don't do is sell them. Even if I were upfront and honest about the knife being fake, it would probably end up back on the market.

So, I keep them.

Charlie

[zoogirl]

Aw, that was a pretty knife! Fake or not, I’d have had it as an EDC. I also would have done something to brand it fake.

This is the one good thing about my collection of scratch and dent specials. I’m not likely to get a fake as they are all too cheap to bother!

I buy knives that ‘yell’ at me. Can’t do that on eBay. I’ve got to hold it in my hand and see if it feels right. If it does, ok. I guess I’m kinda oddball in that I don’t really want shiny and pedigreed, I want old and full of character.

What would dissapoint me is finding out that a knife I thought was 80 or 100 years old was actually put together in some guys basement last week. That’d burn me right up!

[zp4ja]

Ahh, brings back fond memories when I killed that fake POS.

I also offed a tourist trinket Nazi knife at 5 feet with 12 gauge 15 pellet magnum 00 buckshot after that. Blew a 8 inch hole out of the backboard I taped the knife to. Was not much of that knife to be found. Posted pictures here. Having trouble finding the thread.

Jerry

[zp4ja]

Aw, that was a pretty knife! Fake or not, I’d have had it as an EDC. I also would have done something to brand it fake.

What would dissapoint me is finding out that a knife I thought was 80 or 100 years old was actually put together in some guys basement last week. That’d burn me right up!

I respect that. We all do it different. That said, marked as fake or not, I could find no satisfaction carrying a knife that someone deliberately put together (faked) to dupe someone out of money. I don’t care if it cuts thru steel girders like butter. I have plenty of authentic oldies to carry and enjoy.

Interestingly, your last paragraph is exactly what happened with one twist. My Dad bought it and I killed it. For the record, that shiny fake POS is intended to mimic a CASE BROTHERS LITTLE VALLEY which would be over 100 years old. He never knew it was fake. I spotted it after he passed and I took over as guardian of our collection. He spent $250 on the knife and I spent about 50 cents to get rid of the fake POS at the gun range. Never in circulation again on that one. Thankfully, it was the only fake I found out of ~600 knives.

As I said, we all do it differently and I respect that.

Regards, Jerry

[KnifeSlinger#81]

Jerry, the only thing I can think of that better than shooting a fake, is shooting some tannerite that is right next to the fake.

[zp4ja]

Jerry, the only thing I can think of that better than shooting a fake, is shooting some tannerite that is right next to the fake.

Hey Paul,

Laughed on that one. Although not beyond my scope if I ever run across another fake. Familiar with tannerite. Never shot it. However, being an overdoer, I am thinking 4 square containers of tannerite taped together with the knife in the middle. The 12 gauge method I mentioned in my previous post seems just as effective and cheaper but not as spectacular of a demise.

Jerry

[edge213]

Yep, that sure took care of that fake.

[Doc B]

Just make sure you're far away....I'm picturing a fake knife Tannerite stabbing. Horrible way to go.

[Lansky1]

Jerry, the only thing I can think of that better than shooting a fake, is shooting some tannerite that is right next to the fake.

Hey Paul,

Laughed on that one. Although not beyond my scope if I ever run across another fake. Familiar with tannerite. Never shot it. However, being an overdoer, I am thinking 4 square containers of tannerite taped together with the knife in the middle. The 12 gauge method I mentioned in my previous post seems just as effective and cheaper but not as spectacular of a demise.

Jerry

Just be sure and video that if you ever do it - would be youtube gold !!

[KnifeSlinger#81]

Jerry, the only thing I can think of that better than shooting a fake, is shooting some tannerite that is right next to the fake.

Hey Paul,

Laughed on that one. Although not beyond my scope if I ever run across another fake. Familiar with tannerite. Never shot it. However, being an overdoer, I am thinking 4 square containers of tannerite taped together with the knife in the middle.

Jerry

Now THAT would be good!