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Chisel grind.

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:33 am
by Edgewise
Do all tanto folders have the chisel grind?
Is there a tanto folder that can pierce a car door like the fixed blade tantos can?
(I'm still trying to choose my first tanto.) :?

Re: Chisel grind.

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:32 pm
by muskrat man
I think most tantos are chisel ground but I've seen a handful that werent ( don't ask about the makers, I can't remember LOL)

Re: Chisel grind.

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:42 pm
by dudleythetogi
Most Nihonto or traditional Japanese tanto are Hirazakuri and have no defined kissaki(tip).There is unokubi-zakuri,styled after a naginata,a Japanese pole arm(or nagamaki)which has a false back edge running partway down the mune(spine)
Greg.

Re: Chisel grind.

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:59 pm
by useem
::hmm:: ::hmm:: WOW! I read it 3 times and still didn't understand a word you said ::shrug:: :oops: I gotta learn more sword talk :oops:

Re: Chisel grind.

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:08 pm
by El Lobo
If you are looking for a folding knife, most likely you will find an "Americanized" tanto blade shape like the one Ernie Emerson and other companies often feature.....
Emerson Mini CQC-7B BTS.jpg
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.....it is shaped differently than the traditional Japanese Tanto, described above by Greg. Maybe he will post a picture as well? There are also a lot of "Modified" Tanto shapes from Benchmade, CRKT, Cold Steel and others.



Ernie Emerson and others have penetrated car doors...but, I believe it was more of a test of the strength of the linerlock in combination with that profile, than just the the tanto alone as a penetrator. Though the shape is touted for it's piercing ability.

Just what I've heard.

Bill

EDITED...For clarity.

Re: Chisel grind.

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:13 am
by Darksev
I saved this article years ago, I found it incredibly interesting to read, and I think it might explain a bit about what Greg was explainin' :) It's worth a read, if you have the time (Pictures too! ::nod:: ::tu:: )

http://swordforum.com/swords/nihonto/americanized.html

Re: Chisel grind.

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:19 am
by MITCH RAPP
8) Very Informative! Thanks. ::tu::

Re: Chisel grind.

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:22 am
by dudleythetogi
Some famous tantos,Masamune,Sadakuni

Re: Chisel grind.

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:21 am
by jands40
You might like the Benchmade model 910. I think it's designed by Elishiwitz(sp?). It has G-10 handles and D2 steel blade. It is NOT chisel ground. It is a liner lock. Very strong knife. I believe it may have been discontinued, but could probably be found on eBay. I like it best of the tantos I have handled.
Jerry

Re: Chisel grind.

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:38 pm
by Edgewise
Thanks for all your posts, guys.
It's essential reading for tanto fans and I really feel better informed now.
Dudleythetogi's scond picture (Sadakuni?) is my favourite tanto pattern which is difficult to find on current production knives, especially in these drop-point, clip-point days.
I was never a fan of the popular angled point or the chisel grind so I'm grateful for the article.

Re: Chisel grind.

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:12 pm
by El Lobo
I just dug out a production folder that has a more traditional Tanto shape, and is not a chisel grind. It is an asymetrical grind (slightly higher on one side than the other) with recurve, and uses a "flipper" to open the knife and act as a guard as well.
Forgot all about this CRKT Lightfoot M-1. Borrowed picture.....
CRKT Lightfoot.jpg
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Bill

Re: Chisel grind.

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:48 pm
by Edgewise
El Lobo wrote:...Forgot all about this CRKT Lightfoot ...
Very nice knife, El Lobo. I never thought of checking CRKT.
What about this classical looking Convergence. I don't go for the combo edges, but at clearance half-price what could I do?