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Custom handle seperation

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:07 pm
by Kolvir
I got this knife at a gun show a year or two ago and I haven't been able to get a hold of the maker for a fix.

As shown in the photos, the scales are separating or spaced a bit from the tang. How should I go about fixing this?


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Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:57 pm
by ea42
What is the handle material and how is it attached to the knife?

Eric

Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:29 am
by herbva
Kolvir, from you pictures, it looks like the pivot pin needs tightening, or perhaps has pulled loose through the liner and the scale or scales. As a first step, try tightening the pivot pin by lightly re-peening the head of the pin on whatever side is loose, or both sides. But, be careful not to over tighten, or it will bind the blade tang, and then it will have no snap. If this doesn't work, you will need to replace the pivot pin. Since there are no bolsters, this is a bit more delicate, but not difficult operation.

Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:52 am
by Kolvir
I'll post a photo of the whole thing tomorrow. It's a fixed blade.

Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:03 am
by herbva
Oops, I didn't notice it is a fixed blade. Much easier then. Just replace whatever type of pin or fastener is coming loose.

Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:07 am
by ea42
Is that buffalo? If so it may be warping in the ends. Hard to say without a bit more info.

Eric

Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:22 am
by Oledadsknives
That’s what I was gonna ask Eric. I’ve had Buffalo horn warp on 1 side of a fixed blade and had to take it off, clean it up, sand and drill small holes at different angles into the horn. Then pin and glued with automotive panel bond. She ain’t budgin now by gosh!! Here is a pic after repair!
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Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:23 am
by Oledadsknives
Hope that helps Kolvir!

Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:03 am
by Bill DeShivs
It appears to be a Micarta handle that was simply epoxied on the knife.
This is why you should always use mechanical fasteners-and I don't mean pins that are glued in.
There are many choices, including simple peened pins.

Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:46 pm
by Kolvir
Here are some more pictures. Sorry it took so long, had a medical procedure yesterday and the anesthesia left me groggy; slept all day.

Do I need some kind of glue or epoxy to fix this?

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Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:47 pm
by Kolvir
It may very well be some kind of horn

Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:45 pm
by Dinadan
That looks like a well made and mounted handle. I would guess that the horn is warping and that glue is probably not going to hold it down over the long term.

Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:43 pm
by Walleye
I have no idea of the value on the knife, but if you are really determined to keep those handles on the knife, I would think you’re going to have to drill some 1/16” holes in the front and rear of the handles and peen in some brass pins.

I have an old rosewood handled Sabatier chef knife that is showing lots of checks and warping. Since I want it to be an everyday user, I plan to grind the Rivet heads off, pull the handles, wirebrush the metal underneath and make completely new ebony handles that are both epoxied and rivieted in place. Sometimes the only way to fix an EDC knife is to remove and replace. Now if this was Wild Bill Hickock’s knife, it would go into a glass case, warps checks and all, but if it’s just your personal knife and resale isn’t being considered you may have to do the work yourself (or have someone else do it).

Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:47 pm
by Kolvir
Sounds like I need to try and get a hold of the maker again, though I don't know if I still have his contact info.

What has been suggested is beyond my abilities.

Thanks for the input.

Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:40 pm
by Bill DeShivs
It is horn, and it is warping. Horn can be straightened with heat, but it tends to move again.
What I would do with it is drill it and install a lanyard loop to hold it down.

Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:30 pm
by Dinadan
Bill DeShivs wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:40 pm It is horn, and it is warping. Horn can be straightened with heat, but it tends to move again.
What I would do with it is drill it and install a lanyard loop to hold it down.
I do not want to derail the OP's thread, but since I know you are an expert. Bill, I have a question. Is horn more prone to warping than bone or stag? I only have a couple of horn handled knives so I have not baseline of knowledge.

Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:38 pm
by Oledadsknives
Kolvir wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:47 pm Sounds like I need to try and get a hold of the maker again, though I don't know if I still have his contact info.

What has been suggested is beyond my abilities.

Thanks for the input.
If you have his name he can probably be found in a knife book or someone on the forum can help you with that info.

Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:09 am
by Reverand
Dinadan wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:30 pm
Bill DeShivs wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:40 pm It is horn, and it is warping. Horn can be straightened with heat, but it tends to move again.
What I would do with it is drill it and install a lanyard loop to hold it down.
I do not want to derail the OP's thread, but since I know you are an expert. Bill, I have a question. Is horn more prone to warping than bone or stag? I only have a couple of horn handled knives so I have not baseline of knowledge.
I am not Bill, but yes, horn is more prone to warping. Bone and stag are thick and normally cut into flat slabs that rarely ever warp. Horn is thin and curved, and is often heated (steamed or boiled) and pressed flat to use as knife handles. Sometimes they try to warp back to their original shape later.

Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:03 am
by Bill DeShivs
Reverand is exactly correct.
With changes in temperature and humidity, it sometimes wants to return to it's natural state.
If it's held down with mechanical fasteners it won't go too far.

Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:25 am
by eveled
Can you push it closed? How much force is required? If it is fairly easy to push it back, I’d dribble superglue in and clamp it over night.

Are those pins? Or decorations?

Was this a high dollar purchase from an established maker? Or just some guy at a show? For a bargain ? He may not have even made it. Obviously if he really made it and is still around he should see it and repair it. Its not like its frim 20 years ago

Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:32 pm
by 1967redrider
And bugs will eat horn, so there's that too to watch out for, depending on where you live.

Re: Custom handle seperation

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:13 am
by Dinadan
Bill DeShivs wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:03 am Reverand is exactly correct.
With changes in temperature and humidity, it sometimes wants to return to it's natural state.
If it's held down with mechanical fasteners it won't go too far.
Thanks for the info, Reverand and Bill. Seems like Bill's idea of a lanyard pin on the end is good.