Is this western states legitimate?

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Is this western states legitimate?

Post by Thomasg » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:51 pm

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Re: Is this western states legitimate?

Post by btrwtr » Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:08 pm

No. I answered this in another thread. Frame and handles are okay but blades have been welded to original tangs. The spear blade in that pattern is quite unusual. The wear on the tangs and original stamps does not match the condition of the blades. Blades in a knife with that much wear on the tangs could not remain so full after cleaning. Also note the weld porosity visible in the 3rd picture.
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Re: Is this western states legitimate?

Post by Thomasg » Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:54 pm

Thank you . Would the weld porosity indicate that the spear blade was poorly forged ? Cheap replacement? I have 23 western states knifes , 28 western bolder Colorado knifes . Some of the blades are well worn from use and I see no visible weld porosity . That is if If I am understanding ( weld porosity) correctly ? Although a few of my knifes have some pitting from aging .Also in the knife makers who went west I have not found an example of a spear blade in a pattern matching the build and frame ..Not surprising .I have a whittler from the same eBay seller with a blade that can not be matched to the original pattern and build .some of the Members on the all about pocket knifes board have nicknamed the eBay seller sporty .when sporty is entered into the search feature many questionable knifes show up .

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Re: Is this western states legitimate?

Post by dsutton24 » Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:06 pm

Weld porosity comes from poor welding. If you've got old carbon steel knives you've seen the usual pitting that happens. It doesn't look anything like that blade.

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Re: Is this western states legitimate?

Post by Thomasg » Thu Jan 26, 2023 12:04 am

dsutton24 wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:06 pm
Weld porosity comes from poor welding. If you've got old carbon steel knives you've seen the usual pitting that happens. It doesn't look anything like that blade.
So the imperfections seen on the blade above the tang stamp are from the blade being poorly welded to the tang and machined down showing defects ? Thanks.

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Re: Is this western states legitimate?

Post by Thomasg » Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:00 am

Thomasg wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 12:04 am
dsutton24 wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:06 pm
Weld porosity comes from poor welding. If you've got old carbon steel knives you've seen the usual pitting that happens. It doesn't look anything like that blade.
So the imperfections seen on the blade above the tang stamp are from the blade being poorly welded to the tang and machined down showing defects ? Thanks.
I revisited the case xx post that I put the OP. Knife on by accident .all my questions have been answered expect for one . I just can’t wrap my mind around why some one would Dr up a knife that has such little resale value ? ??

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Re: Is this western states legitimate?

Post by btrwtr » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:49 pm

Thomasg wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:00 am
Thomasg wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 12:04 am
dsutton24 wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:06 pm
Weld porosity comes from poor welding. If you've got old carbon steel knives you've seen the usual pitting that happens. It doesn't look anything like that blade.
So the imperfections seen on the blade above the tang stamp are from the blade being poorly welded to the tang and machined down showing defects ? Thanks.
I revisited the case xx post that I put the OP. Knife on by accident .all my questions have been answered expect for one . I just can’t wrap my mind around why some one would Dr up a knife that has such little resale value ? ??
I don't think the knife has much resale value since it has been drastically altered from original. To a perspective buyer that thinks the knife is legitimate the value could be remarkably more. Knives like this are often altered to decieve the unsuspecting.
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Re: Is this western states legitimate?

Post by btrwtr » Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:26 pm

This is the feedback that sportscolbs recieved for this welded blade fake that he described as near mint.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
When less than educated buyers purchase such terrible fakes and are so pleased with the transaction it is easy to undersatnd why so many less then honest eBay knife sellers have 100% positive feedback.
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Re: Is this western states legitimate?

Post by Mumbleypeg » Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:43 pm

btrwtr wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:26 pm
This is the feedback that sportscolbs recieved for this welded blade fake that he described as near mint.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
When less than educated buyers purchase such terrible fakes and are so pleased with the transaction it is easy to undersatnd why so many less then honest eBay knife sellers have 100% positive feedback.
More evidence eBay’s seller ratings are meaningless, and that a no questions asked return/full refund policy is meaningless also. Those who know don’t bid. Those who blissfully don’t know aren’t going to request a refund.

Ken
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