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What's with the boxes!

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:49 pm
by Hemitime
I have been looking for certain winter bottom patterns and have had some pretty good luck. The problem is one seller has a ton of winter bottom for sale but not one has the original box. I figured they bought someone’s collection and there were no boxes. I then find other sellers in other markets and they don’t have the original boxes either! What is with Queen and their boxes? Maybe I am too particular and it should not be a big deal? Are the boxes important to you fellows? What say you.

Re: What's with the boxes!

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:04 pm
by Mumbleypeg
Very few if any pocket knives were individually boxed prior to the 1980s. They were individually wrapped in paper and packed 1/2 dozen or 1 dozen knives in each box. Very few knives having genuine Winterbottom bone covers were being made after that time - most Queen pocket knives at that time and after had imitation Winterbottom (Winterbottom-jigged Delrin) covers.

So, old pre-1980s pocket knives having genuine Winterbottom bone covers were made at a time when knives were not individually boxed. I don’t know the exact year when Queen began using individual boxes, but it was after most Winterbottom bone knives were made. Maybe someone else knows. ::shrug::

To answer your other question, it depends. I started collecting when there were no individual boxes and most of the knives in my collection are pre-1980s. They don’t have boxes because they were never in individual boxes. If I was a collector of newer knives I might feel differently. ::shrug:: As it stands, I don’t give a hoot about boxes, unless they’re really old boxes from the “bulk pack” days.

Ken

Re: What's with the boxes!

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:26 pm
by Hemitime
Ken thanks so much for your reply. You have just educated me. Bottom line you are going to cost me some money!! ::tu::

Re: What's with the boxes!

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:38 pm
by Mumbleypeg
Hemitime wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:26 pm Ken thanks so much for your reply. You have just educated me. Bottom line you are going to cost me some money!! ::tu::
:lol: Sounds to me like you have a problem. Welcome to the club!

Ken

Re: What's with the boxes!

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:51 pm
by Hemitime
And I here it is incurable. I keep telling myself I’m going to slow down, but the mailman keeps bringing me something. ::ds::

Re: What's with the boxes!

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:14 am
by Gunsil
There are a few exceptions to the rule of old knives not coming in individual boxes, but not many I know of. The Remington Official BSA pocket knives came in individual boxes as did Kutmaster GSA knives and 50s Camillus Cub Scout knives. Union Cut/KA-BAR "hobo" knives with fork and spoon are sometimes seen in individual boxes but I am unsure if they came that way through their entire manufacturing time. I have had a couple Remington letter opener/office knives in individual boxes but really have not seen many other than those mentioned. Plenty of boxes for a half dozen pocket knives by most all manufacturers are well known and highly sought after by collectors, some empty boxes selling for hundreds of dollars each.

Re: What's with the boxes!

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:02 am
by WillyCamaro
Mumbleypeg wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:04 pm Very few if any pocket knives were individually boxed prior to the 1980s. They were individually wrapped in paper and packed 1/2 dozen or 1 dozen knives in each box. Very few knives having genuine Winterbottom bone covers were being made after that time - most Queen pocket knives at that time and after had imitation Winterbottom (Winterbottom-jigged Delrin) covers.

So, old pre-1980s pocket knives having genuine Winterbottom bone covers were made at a time when knives were not individually boxed. I don’t know the exact year when Queen began using individual boxes, but it was after most Winterbottom bone knives were made. Maybe someone else knows. ::shrug::

To answer your other question, it depends. I started collecting when there were no individual boxes and most of the knives in my collection are pre-1980s. They don’t have boxes because they were never in individual boxes. If I was a collector of newer knives I might feel differently. ::shrug:: As it stands, I don’t give a hoot about boxes, unless they’re really old boxes from the “bulk pack” days.

Ken
Good points Ken, you are 50/50 correct.
From my experience collecting Queens, some did come individually boxed.
For example, I used to own a Q78 (1978) #19 Trapper, came with original box. And here's a "07" mini-trapper from '78, original box, genuine rogers jigged bone.
::drool::

Re: What's with the boxes!

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:04 am
by WillyCamaro
Hemitime wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:51 pm And I here it is incurable. I keep telling myself I’m going to slow down, but the mailman keeps bringing me something. ::ds::
Welcome to the club mate. You've picked a bunch of enablers for knife buddies; watch out, be careful, or yer pocket book wont know what hit it.
:lol:

::handshake::

Re: What's with the boxes!

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:09 am
by Mumbleypeg
Willy, do you have any Winterbottom genuine bone knives with boxes? That was the context of this thread. As Gene pointed out there were a few older knives (pre-1980s) that had individual boxes. Which is why I said “very few”. So I’ll give you maybe 5%. Making me ~95% correct. 8) :lol: I learned long ago there are very few absolutes in this ole world.

::poke::

Nice looking knives BTW! ::tu::

Ken

Re: What's with the boxes!

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:26 am
by WillyCamaro
Mumbleypeg wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:09 am Willy, do you have any Winterbottom genuine bone knives with boxes? That was the context of this thread. As Gene pointed out there were a few older knives (pre-1980s) that had individual boxes. Which is why I said “very few”. So I’ll give you maybe 5%. Making me ~95% correct. 8) :lol: I learned long ago there are very few absolutes in this ole world.

::poke::

Nice looking knives BTW! ::tu::

Ken
Oh, thanks for the bonk Ken, that part completely blew me by. ::dang::
Life living with a foggy brain; yup, that's my excuse... :mrgreen:

:lol:

Thank you sir! I jumped and drooled all over my screen, when I saw Gary's listings. You could say I was certainly taken with her. :D
And no sir,
that tis one that has gotten away...
If you ever come wind of a #19, let me know please.
::tu::

Re: What's with the boxes!

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:38 pm
by DanQueencutlerycom
Spending some time of All about pocket knives and finding it very useful. So this is a late response about Queen boxes and Schatt & Morgans as well. Our group has done a very thorough review of both early and late Queen boxes from 1900 - 2017. Many were not boxed individually, but a number did have unique boxes. Check this out for 8 articles, over 90 pages, with many boxes dated: https://www.queencutleryguide.com/artic ... l-articles

We feel boxes, (and blade etches) especially in the modern era, are a big help in avoiding "parts knives" that might appear from the factory, but were seconds and parts sold after the bankruptcy.