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What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:05 am
by unclepaulie
Hello everyone,

got another interesting mystery. I have a set of knives with bone scales marked John Askham Sheffield. I'm curious as to the type of blade it is and it's use. The tip is slightly rounded, blade has an edge on both sides and is convex, which I have not came across before. My first impression is that it could have been a skewer of some sort?

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:47 am
by Ridgegrass
Looks like it was a dagger, maybe ground down by sharpening. Hard to tell. Neat piece. J.O'.

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:14 am
by eveled
Looks like an oyster knife. How long is it?

How many in the set? Are they in a case, sold as a set?

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:25 am
by Steve Warden
eveled wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:14 am Looks like an oyster knife. How long is it?

How many in the set? Are they in a case, sold as a set?
Oyster knife was my first thought.

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:22 pm
by Ridgegrass
Duh! I missed the part about a "set" of them. Yeah, I agree with oyster. (And I'm the guy from Chesapeake Bay !!!) ::dang:: J.O'.

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:46 pm
by TazmanTom18
Florida guy, oyster knife....

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:55 pm
by Gunsil
With that tapered tang and bone scales, that is one cool oyster knife!!

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:42 pm
by unclepaulie
eveled wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:14 am Looks like an oyster knife. How long is it?

How many in the set? Are they in a case, sold as a set?
A set of six, no case. Got them in a box of other knives about 2 years ago.

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:44 pm
by unclepaulie
Ridgegrass wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:22 pm Duh! I missed the part about a "set" of them. Yeah, I agree with oyster. (And I'm the guy from Chesapeake Bay !!!) ::dang:: J.O'.
never occurred to me that this could be an oyster knife. Now it is obvious to me...

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:45 pm
by unclepaulie
Thank you all for your help.

I will be posting another item that I need help with shortly.

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:52 pm
by QTCut5
I know nothing about oyster knives...have only seen a few; but, I don't recall if any of the ones I've seen were sharpened on both edges. Is it typical for an oyster knife to be sharpened on both edges?

And the finger guard is another thing that makes me think the knife looks more like a dagger that's been worn down and sharpened a lot.

Very cool little knife...whatever it is. What's the overall length?

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:57 pm
by unclepaulie
QTCut5 wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:52 pm I know nothing about oyster knives...have only seen a few; but, I don't recall if any of the ones I've seen were sharpened on both edges. Is it typical for an oyster knife to be sharpened on both edges?

And the finger guard is another thing that makes me think the knife looks more like a dagger that's been worn down and sharpened a lot.

Very cool little knife...whatever it is. What's the overall length?
Overall is 7-1/4". Initially I was thinking dagger or a modified as well, but the fact that I have six of them kind of threw me off. Once the oyster knife came up here, I found similar ones on line.

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:20 pm
by eveled
That’s what I was getting at. Trying to see if they really are a “set”, as opposed to 6 duplicates. Thought it might give a clue to their uses.

But it makes perfect sense to have 6 oyster knives if you have a family that eats them a lot. Or in a kitchen.

If they are only a couple three inches long, they are definitely oyster knives.

QTCut5 there are many models of oyster knives associated with different regions. This is one of the common pattern.

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:25 pm
by Gunsil
QTCut5 wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:52 pm I know nothing about oyster knives...have only seen a few; but, I don't recall if any of the ones I've seen were sharpened on both edges. Is it typical for an oyster knife to be sharpened on both edges?

And the finger guard is another thing that makes me think the knife looks more like a dagger that's been worn down and sharpened a lot.

Very cool little knife...whatever it is. What's the overall length?
Most oyster knives have double edged convex blades that are usually 3" or so in length. Another tell is the guard that overhangs the scales. A dagger usually has a guard that is no wider than the handle while an oyster knife's guard will often overhand the handle to prevent the user from getting cut by the oyster shell while opening it. Daggers usually don't have convex ground blades.

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:04 pm
by tongueriver
It would be nice to see the box that this 'set' is in. Could it be a display box at a store to sell one knife (or more) at a time, rather than a 'set'? Why would oyster knives be in a set?

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:11 pm
by unclepaulie
tongueriver wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:04 pm It would be nice to see the box that this 'set' is in. Could it be a display box at a store to sell one knife (or more) at a time, rather than a 'set'? Why would oyster knives be in a set?
Unfortunately no box. You may be correct, I just assumed they are a set.

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 8:12 pm
by Ridgegrass
Here is a typical oyster knife used by shuckers in bars, restaurants, homes , and oyster roasts around Baltimore and the Chesapeake. I have never seen a guard on one. On Maryland's Eastern shore many are forged from 1/2 -3/4" square bar stock, hammered into the same blade profile. I have a thick plastic handled Russell but can't find it just now. It's blade tip is turned up but it has no guard. It's not as handy as the old "sock darner" style.
Notice my handle is battered up from napping oyster edges to "find the slot". If you've never shucked, the blade point is inserted between the oyster shells and swung side to side to cut the adductor muscles and then twisted 90 degrees to open the shell. It's difficult at first but an expert shucker can keep quite a few customers eating steadily. They are artists in their own right. (PS: A good work glove on the opposite hand is advisable ::teary_eyes::)
I still agree yours is a variation on this model. J.O'.

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 8:27 pm
by Ridgegrass
I agree with Gunsil about blade length. Mine is 2-5/8". A longer one becomes a liability in close quarters. The "sock darner" style obviates the need for a guard as the hand is mostly behind the handle. Both edges are semi-sharp to cut the adductor muscles on the back and forth stroke. Not to be too instructive but I've shucked a few bushels in my day. It's fun and a great local tradition. J.O'.

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 8:44 pm
by tongueriver
And great education; thanx, Ridgegrass! Anybody going to have oyster stew on Christmas Eve?

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:57 pm
by knife7knut
Ridgegrass wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 8:12 pm Here is a typical oyster knife used by shuckers in bars, restaurants, homes , and oyster roasts around Baltimore and the Chesapeake. I have never seen a guard on one.
Here are a couple from my accumulation.The first pic the bottom knife is French. The second pic shows one longer and with a guard. This is the only one I've ever seen with a guard. The last pic is of a set of Henckels knives for I believe clams.I suppose they could be used for oysters.

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:25 pm
by Ridgegrass
TR: My pleasure. :D J.O'.

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:27 pm
by Ridgegrass
K7: Those are cool. :D J.O'.

Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:13 am
by QTCut5
This is my only "Oyster Knife" and it is not sharpened...it's as dull as a flat-head screwdriver blade on both edges.
(I mainly use it as a glue spreader :lol:)
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Re: What knife is this? John Askham

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:25 am
by unclepaulie
So here is my dilemma, do I sell them as a set or one by one?