Case Tested XX Authenticity?

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Case Tested XX Authenticity?

Post by DocScooter » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:42 am

I've been a fan of Case knives for quite a while and had until recently been content with knives from the 70s on. I've just recently become more interested in the older ones, and just picked up my first "old" Case, and was hoping to get some input on my purchase (and hopefully end up not regretting it!).

To my understanding this is a 62031 1/2 Rough Jack from the 1920-40 Case Tested era. I've never held a pre-1970 Case so I'd really love to get thoughts from any experts out there as to 1) are there any issues with this knife that might suggest it's not authentic (I really hope it's all legit, my only hesitation upon holding it in my hand is that it actually seems almost too pristine), 2) what are the chances the knife is in such good shape without having been refurbished or worked on in any major way, the blades in particular seem just like new and that makes me wonder... and 3) is there any way to narrow the manufacture date within that 20 year window?

Really appreciate any input or knowledge you all may be willing to share, if I've made a mistake buying this please don't hesitate to let me know as I'm hoping to learn a lot more about these knives before building my collection any further!

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Re: Case Tested XX Authenticity?

Post by Sharpnshinyknives » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:56 am

Welcome to the forum. I am not an expert on these older Case knives but I think it looks like a great knife. Your fears of it being a counterfeit are the reason I don’t collect these older knives. I’ve been collecting for nearly 25 years and I still don’t know enough to tell the difference in some cases. But there are people here that will tell soon.
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Re: Case Tested XX Authenticity?

Post by Jeffinn » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:57 am

Don't know much about your knife.
I did see one that sold in a AAPK store though that looks just like yours. There may be a bit of info there that helps.
https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/ca ... jack-knife
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Re: Case Tested XX Authenticity?

Post by Mumbleypeg » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:00 am

Welcome to AAPK. From what I can see the knife looks good to me. More pictures would help, though. Both sides of the knife, both blades, and a clear in-focus picture of the shield.

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Re: Case Tested XX Authenticity?

Post by DocScooter » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:17 am

Thanks for the input everyone! I’ll get some better pics posted soon, thanks for the suggestion!

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Re: Case Tested XX Authenticity?

Post by fergusontd » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:24 am

::hmm:: Unless it's a new unused condition knife from the 20 - 40 Case tested era I'd be leary of it. A knife that old should show some kind of age even if its unused. I'm not an expert by any stretch but I would take the opnions from the more knowledgeable collectors on this forum. ftd

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Re: Case Tested XX Authenticity?

Post by hardman » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:28 am

Just a minor point, but if real it would be a 62031 1/2 Swell End Jack (sometimes called a Torpedo Jack) with Rough Black handle scales. I think you referred to it as a Rough Jack. And while it looks fine to me, I agree that it pays to be wary any time an 80 year old knife looks like new.
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Re: Case Tested XX Authenticity?

Post by kootenay joe » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:36 am

If Ken says it looks good, it probably is, but to me it looks too good to be true. After 80 years carbon steel blades usually show some signs of oxidation but these blades have none. They look new.
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Re: Case Tested XX Authenticity?

Post by peanut740 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:37 pm

Better pictures would help,but from what I see it is real and it appears to been cleaned.
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Re: Case Tested XX Authenticity?

Post by DocScooter » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:27 pm

A few more pics of the knife that may be helpful. I agree with the comments here that the knife seems to be real, but I do wonder to what extent it's been cleaned since the blades just seem too good to be true. I had asked before buying if they had been cleaned and was told no by the seller. I suspect he may have been telling the truth that he has not cleaned them, but it's hard for me to believe it's this old and still this perfect. I'm just fine with the knife having been cleaned and think the price I paid is reasonable for that case. I just would like to know as much as possible about my new knife!

The other question I had for the experts was if there's any way to narrow the manufacture date in the 20-40 window? Any other clues as to when this particular configuration may have been made?

Thanks everyone, you are awesome!!

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Re: Case Tested XX Authenticity?

Post by olderdogs1 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:35 pm

The knife looks ok to me. There is no way to say exactly when it was made in the 20-40 period. Probably towards the latter years. I would say it shows a little wear and has been cleaned at some point. JMO

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Re: Case Tested XX Authenticity?

Post by Sharpnshinyknives » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:35 pm

DocScooter wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:27 pm
A few more pics of the knife that may be helpful. I agree with the comments here that the knife seems to be real, but I do wonder to what extent it's been cleaned since the blades just seem too good to be true. I had asked before buying if they had been cleaned and was told no by the seller. I suspect he may have been telling the truth that he has not cleaned them, but it's hard for me to believe it's this old and still this perfect. I'm just fine with the knife having been cleaned and think the price I paid is reasonable for that case. I just would like to know as much as possible about my new knife!

The other question I had for the experts was if there's any way to narrow the manufacture date in the 20-40 window? Any other clues as to when this particular configuration may have been made?

Thanks everyone, you are awesome!!


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I don’t see any signs that the knife has been buffed. Usually when a knife is buffed you can see dimples from pits that have been leveled off by the buffing machine and there is no sign of that. I don’t have a hard time believing that this could have survived in this condition. I bought a collect about 8 years ago from a collector who had been collecting since the 60’s. He didn’t use them or abuse them he kept them stored. Out of sight out of mind. It wasn’t until he died that most of his knives saw the light of day again. His son and two daughters weren’t collectors so they sold the collection to me. My point being that knives change hands from one collector to another and some very old knives survive this way in pristine condition. When you happen onto one, it’s wise to be skeptical, but it can be exactly what the seller said it is.
Hope this helps.
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Re: Case Tested XX Authenticity?

Post by DocScooter » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:36 pm

Thank you, that's great to hear that it might not be too out of the ordinary to see blades in this sort of shape!

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Re: Case Tested XX Authenticity?

Post by Mumbleypeg » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:12 pm

Thanks for the additional pictures. They confirm my previous thoughts. I see no reason to think the knife is not authentic, and none of the usual or subtle “tells” that give alway altered knives.

It’s difficult on most Tested era knives to narrow the age to specific years. There are a few indicators of knives made very early in the Tested era, such as all blades being marked, or the “Tested XX” stamp being marked in an oval or circle on a secondary blade. There were also changes in shields used during the Tested era but no one knows precisely when those changes were made nor do they seem to have been made universally across all patterns at a given point in time - in other words there was possibly more than one shield being used at the same time. I’m also of the belief that the Tested XX stamp was in use past 1940, based on observations and evidence (I have seen, and have in my possession, knives purported to have been made for WWII use which have the Tested XX tang stamp). Your knife has what appears to be the shield most commonly seen for Tested knives. It’s not a later shield. So although it could be from any time, I’d agree with earlier comments that it’s most likely from the mid-Tested era. Just a semi-educated guess at best however.

Lastly, it is in fact “out of the ordinary to see blades in this sort of shape”. Any time you see one that looks like yours, your B.S. detector should go off. Then proceed with caution. The key takeaway is, it does happen and it is possible. There are pages of posts with pictures of honest Tested (and older) near-mint knives here. But it’s not common.

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Re: Case Tested XX Authenticity?

Post by peanut740 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:32 pm

The knife does show wear and evidence of cleaning.The choils are pretty much gone on both blades.If you don't know choils are,they are notches on the blades next to the tang.Still a decent old knife.
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