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Help with ID

Post by beresman » Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:33 am

I have mentioned in another thread that I'm looking at collecting folding knives from various countries around the world, looking for something distinctive and interesting (to me, anyway). I saw this little gem (?) on eBay and bought it, thinking it might be some interesting middle eastern maker. The blade is pitted and the tang stamps are hard to read, but if I'm not mistaken, it actually says "No. 6 Made in England"! I'm wondering about the marks on the other side; they look like an asterisk and an iron cross. I looked in the thread of tang stamp charts, but if it's there, I overlooked it. Any ideas?

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Re: Help with ID

Post by richard » Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:10 am

looks like a old rodgers n0.6 norfolk street. been
re handled. any more pics would be good ?

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Re: Help with ID

Post by TwoFlowersLuggage » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:25 am

I can't help with this knife, but just as a side note, I can't think of anything more difficult than trying to collect knives of the world. Good luck!
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Re: Help with ID

Post by beresman » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:19 pm

richard wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:10 am
looks like a old rodgers n0.6 norfolk street. been
re handled. any more pics would be good ?
After looking at the link you provided, I certainly agree. Thank you!

Here area couple of photos of the handle. I was thinking it might be some middle eastern make, but apparently it was made in England for sale into that area. Hmmm...

I've looked up the name advertised on the handle, and while there are businesspeople with that surname, I haven't found much of anything on this business (other than that they advertised on knives!)
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Re: Help with ID

Post by beresman » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:33 pm

TwoFlowersLuggage wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:25 am
I can't help with this knife, but just as a side note, I can't think of anything more difficult than trying to collect knives of the world. Good luck!
Some are easy, of course, but doing it on a budget is even more challenging. So far I have knives from: USA, Germany, Spain, England, Pakistan, China, Japan, Sweden, Italy, Israel, Taiwan and Brazil. I either have on order or have a line on knives from Norway, Russia (USSR), South Africa, New Zealand, Albania and France.

my favorite pattern is the Stockman, but obviously a lot of countries won't have that pattern. But that's what makes it more interesting for me--looking at the variety of types and maybe getting a little history lesson at the same time.

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Re: Help with ID

Post by TwoFlowersLuggage » Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:28 pm

Is it possible the blade is English, but the assembled knife is not? Sort of like when some Italian knives use English or German steel (or at least claim to do so)?
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Re: Help with ID

Post by beresman » Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:35 pm

TwoFlowersLuggage wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:28 pm
Is it possible the blade is English, but the assembled knife is not? Sort of like when some Italian knives use English or German steel (or at least claim to do so)?
It may be. According to the article, many counterfeits were made (presumably in the 1800's) in other countries, often using the trademark (because it was better recognized in countries where English was not the primary language)...and there is no mark on the knife that looks remotely like the Rodgers name.

I do have to say that, as pitted as the blade is, it still has a really good edge. It doesn't look recently sharpened--or ever, for that matter (caveat: I'm not an expert on such matters).

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Re: Help with ID

Post by richard » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:10 pm

Here are some rodgers knives of that period with horn handles.and correct tang stamps.
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Re: Help with ID

Post by beresman » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:23 pm

richard wrote:
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Here are some rodgers knives of that period with horn handles.and correct tang stamps.
Thanks! And I've looked at others on eBay (always a crap shoot) but pretty much inevitably they show the "Rodgers" name somewhere, either on the tang stamp or on the blade itself. Mine shows it in neither place, so I'm going to guess it's a contemporary counterfeit. Which, while it may mean it's not valuable as a collectors item, still makes it interesting (at least to me) and now I wonder more than ever: where did the darn thing come from? Probably no one alive can answer that question, but it makes for interesting speculation.

Thanks for your help, Richard! And if anyone else has other information on this, I'm all ears.

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Re: Help with ID

Post by richard » Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:38 pm

If it was a secondery blade they rehandled. it could be a original. look at my pics i posted only the main blades have rodgers on them. how long is the blade?
i am guessing it is a secondery blade from a broken knife re handled. probably in india. just my opinion .

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Post by knife7knut » Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:51 pm

It looks like an Indian made knockoff of the Rodgers trademark. I have seen that particular model but many others.It is usually stamped,"No.6 Sheffield Steel".The lettering on the side looks like native Indian dialect.
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Re: Help with ID

Post by kootenay joe » Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:12 am

I agree with k7k. Likely made in India 50 or more years ago. Could be pre WW II.
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Re: Help with ID

Post by beresman » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:08 am

richard wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:38 pm
If it was a secondery blade they rehandled. it could be a original. look at my pics i posted only the main blades have rodgers on them. how long is the blade?
i am guessing it is a secondery blade from a broken knife re handled. probably in india. just my opinion .
The blade is just over 2-1/2" from tip to pivot.
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Re: Help with ID

Post by beresman » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:10 am

knife7knut wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:51 pm
It looks like an Indian made knockoff of the Rodgers trademark. I have seen that particular model but many others.It is usually stamped,"No.6 Sheffield Steel".The lettering on the side looks like native Indian dialect.
As best as I can tell it's

No. 6
Made In
England

on one side of the tang, and the trademark on the other. No writing on the blade itself.

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