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KA-BAR union cutlery olean, ny stamped tri-fold
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:48 am
by bladeaddict
i need some help on this knife, it's black celluoid grips fastened to brass that the blade swings out of and you close it back on itself to use, closed length is 4 3/4 in. , stamped just like above , pantent applied for on the other side of blade, single blade, bone saw maybe on top of blade
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:05 am
by jonet143
welcome addict. sounds like a mod. t-1161. post a pic.
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:15 am
by bladeaddict
don't have a pic, how old is it?, what was it for?
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:40 am
by jonet143
no idea how old your knife is but i believe it's a fish knife. top teeth are scalers.
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:55 am
by bladeaddict
thank you for your help, need to get a camera
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:26 am
by jonet143
is there fish etch on the blade?
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:58 pm
by bladeaddict
nothing on the blade but the stamping of KA-BAR on one side, and " PATENT APPLIED FOR" in small caps on the other side, the union cutlery co. olean, ny is stamped into the brass sleeve that folds in and out. thanks for the interest/help
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:26 pm
by Paladin
You might see if you can match it up to something on Ebay. I have seen one or two of them there in the past.
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:25 pm
by PA Knives
If it is what I think it is, if you have my book you will see a copy of the original pat. Wallace Brown, grandsone of Job Case invented it just after leaving Tidioute. Union Razor then Union Cutlery then moved to Olean and became KaBar. Check out the book for more details
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:25 am
by gbuskirk
I just bought one just like this, at an antique store. I have learned that it is a knockoff of a Marbles design called the Marbles Trifold Safety Knife.
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:27 am
by jonet143
that's a nice one. i looked for this thread and could'nt find it.
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:47 pm
by gbuskirk
Here's the patent that applies to this knife. The patent was filed in 1923 and issued in 1924, so I'd estimate this knife was manufactured sometime very near then.
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:02 pm
by jonet143
does your knife say pat. applied for?
patent applied for?
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:02 pm
by bladeaddict
that was going to be my question, i'm the one that has the same knife that says patent applied for, the patent can be googled by typing in "Brown Olean Knife"
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:55 pm
by gbuskirk
Mine does say 'Patent Applied For'. The patent is linked in my post above. There's a brief period of 1 year from when the patent application was filed until it was issued, so I speculate that they would have started stamping the patent number eventually, therefore that the knives can be dated to this period. But I make a lot of errors!
KA-BAR
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:23 pm
by bladeaddict
it's pretty cool that we can pin it down pretty close, too bad they are'nt worth anything, did a little research on this too, the old man(Wallace R Brown) died the year it was patented, more than likely his last knife, don't know for sure though