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Has another company bought the Queen name?

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:34 pm
by OSCAR
Saw an add for Queen City knives. Abalone scales and very cheap price. I’d guess made in China? Had the Queen crown on tang.
I’d hate to think that they are foreign made. Thanks

Re: Has another company bought the Queen name?

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:42 pm
by Doc B
Apparently SMKW now has the rights. By most accounts, it would appear they are Rough Rider knives, with a different label and higher price.

Re: Has another company bought the Queen name?

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:38 pm
by GSPTOPDOG
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::dang:: ::uc:: ::dang::

Re: Has another company bought the Queen name?

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:00 pm
by cody6268
Yes; actually twice. Some individual in Ohio had purchased trademarks and equipment with intention to reintroduce Queen and Schatt and Morgan knives. He did budkus, then sold those trademarks to SMKW, while still owning the Schatt and Morgan trademark and the equipment.

You've got two choices: overpriced badge-engineered Bear and Sons and extremely overpriced badge engineered China-made Rough Ryders.

Re: Has another company bought the Queen name?

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:29 pm
by XX Case XX
Doc B wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:42 pm it would appear they are Rough Rider knives, with a different label and higher price.
That's exactly what they are.

___________
Mike

Re: Has another company bought the Queen name?

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:23 am
by GSPTOPDOG
cody6268 wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:00 pm Yes; actually twice. Some individual in Ohio had purchased trademarks and equipment with intention to reintroduce Queen and Schatt and Morgan knives. He did budkus, then sold those trademarks to SMKW, while still owning the Schatt and Morgan trademark and the equipment.

You've got two choices: overpriced badge-engineered Bear and Sons and extremely overpriced badge engineered China-made Rough Ryders.
What a big disappointment. ::facepalm:: My mother was born and raised in Titusville, PA. Some of her relatives (and therefore mine as well) worked in the Queen factory. My mother was born in the 1920's, so perhaps some of the old Queen knives that are out there still in collector's cases and maybe even in their pockets, were made by some distant relative of mine. It gives me a certain connection with Queen. I have even been to the factory and bought a couple of knives there several years ago. I am glad I went when I did and that I bought what I bought. Now it is just a bit of history and a memory. ::hmm:: I think I'll give up collecting knives and just start playing video games all day and night in the basement. ::disgust::

Re: Has another company bought the Queen name?

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:10 pm
by Mumbleypeg
cody6268 wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:00 pm
You've got two choices: overpriced badge-engineered Bear and Sons and extremely overpriced badge engineered China-made Rough Ryders.
I’m opting for the third choice - not spending my money on anything made in China. ::huff::

Ken

Re: Has another company bought the Queen name?

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:41 pm
by Papa Bones
Doc B wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:42 pm Apparently SMKW now has the rights. By most accounts, it would appear they are Rough Rider knives, with a different label and higher price.
XX Case XX wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:29 pm
Doc B wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:42 pm it would appear they are Rough Rider knives, with a different label and higher price.
That's exactly what they are.

___________
Mike
:shock: ::uc:: ::teary_eyes:: ::facepalm::

Re: Has another company bought the Queen name?

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:44 pm
by OSCAR
Thanks for the replies. That’s what I figured. And while I do have a few higher end Chinese made knives from RUSSELL, I will not buy anything made in China anymore.

Re: Has another company bought the Queen name?

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:47 pm
by Rossr
So who is left making in the states, case, Gec. Anyone else? Buck.?

Schrade is all china now I believe, queen now too...and many more....

Changing times.


Is it even possible to.consider setting up a production facility in the states to make folders and such? I have often thought about this but seems like.u just cant compete. And there are so many processes to make a folder .

Re: Has another company bought the Queen name?

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:53 pm
by Rossr
cody6268 wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:00 pm Yes; actually twice. Some individual in Ohio had purchased trademarks and equipment with intention to reintroduce Queen and Schatt and Morgan knives. He did budkus, then sold those trademarks to SMKW, while still owning the Schatt and Morgan trademark and the equipment.

You've got two choices: overpriced badge-engineered Bear and Sons and extremely overpriced badge engineered China-made Rough Ryders.
So does that mean Schatt Moran may be made in the US again or were those sold as well to SMKW?

Re: Has another company bought the Queen name?

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:22 am
by Mumbleypeg
Rossr wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:47 pm So who is left making in the states, case, Gec. Anyone else? Buck.?
Utica, Ontario, Cutco. All make some in the U.S. but be careful as some of their output maybe made elsewhere. There are several “non-traditional” folder makers like Leatherman still made in the U.S.A. There are others but I don’t keep up with that type of knives so I couldn’t reliably tell you all or even some of the others.

Ken

Re: Has another company bought the Queen name?

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:24 am
by Rossr
Mumbleypeg wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:22 am
Rossr wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:47 pm So who is left making in the states, case, Gec. Anyone else? Buck.?
Utica, Ontario, Cutco. All make some in the U.S. but be careful as some of their output maybe made elsewhere. There are several “non-traditional” folder makers like Leatherman still made in the U.S.A. There are others but I don’t keep up with that type of knives so I couldn’t reliably tell you all or even some of the others.

Ken
Yep I guess it's just a reality of our times thanks for the insight

Ross

Re: Has another company bought the Queen name?

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:30 am
by Mumbleypeg
Rossr wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:24 am
Mumbleypeg wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:22 am
Rossr wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:47 pm So who is left making in the states, case, Gec. Anyone else? Buck.?
Utica, Ontario, Cutco. All make some in the U.S. but be careful as some of their output maybe made elsewhere. There are several “non-traditional” folder makers like Leatherman still made in the U.S.A. There are others but I don’t keep up with that type of knives so I couldn’t reliably tell you all or even some of the others.

Ken
Yep I guess it's just a reality of our times thanks for the insight

Ross
Forgot to mention Bear & Sons.

Ken

Re: Has another company bought the Queen name?

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:39 am
by OLDE CUTLER
Rossr wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:47 pm So who is left making in the states, case, Gec. Anyone else? Buck.?

Schrade is all china now I believe, queen now too...and many more....

Changing times.


Is it even possible to.consider setting up a production facility in the states to make folders and such? I have often thought about this but seems like.u just cant compete. And there are so many processes to make a folder .
Nobody would buy them as they would be too expensive for American consumers, who buy everything based on price alone.

Re: Has another company bought the Queen name?

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:45 am
by Rossr
OLDE CUTLER wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:39 am
Rossr wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:47 pm So who is left making in the states, case, Gec. Anyone else? Buck.?

Schrade is all china now I believe, queen now too...and many more....

Changing times.


Is it even possible to.consider setting up a production facility in the states to make folders and such? I have often thought about this but seems like.u just cant compete. And there are so many processes to make a folder .
Nobody would buy them as they would be too expensive for American consumers, who buy everything based on price alone.
Sadly I feel you are correct. I make custom knives and do custom leather work. I could never compete on price vs china . I run Into the mentality a lot. Cost vs quality and most choose cheap cost first. I'm thankful for those who dont.

Ross

Re: Has another company bought the Queen name?

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:05 pm
by bighomer
Bear&sons are making some of the Queens. Some of the Colonials may be made here also. ::shrug::