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Check out this I*X L

Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:47 pm
by LDF Knives
This is an George Wosltenholm see the tang in front and on the back it says Sheffield England and around the Brass liner it's outside of the handle; and is this an Imitation Black onyx stone? (handle?) I bought this back in the Eighties still looks like it came right out of the factory. It looks pretty from my old set of eyes. Any one out there has something like this?

Re: Check out this I*X L

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:38 am
by Old Folder
I'm not sure of the handle composition LDF, but the knife overall looks as if it was dropped in a bucket of Lacquer. Overall, I like it. ::nod::

Re: Check out this I*X L

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:49 pm
by jmh58
Very Nice!!! ::tu::
John :D

Re: Check out this I*X L

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:45 pm
by LDF Knives
LDF Knives wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:47 pm This is an George Wosltenholm see the tang in front and on the back it says Sheffield England and around the Brass liner it's outside of the handle; and is this an Imitation Black onyx stone? (handle?) I bought this back in the Eighties still looks like it came right out of the factory. It looks pretty from my old set of eyes. Any one out there has something like this?
any Experts on this knife?

Re: Check out this I*X L

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:50 pm
by doglegg
Sorry, not an expert but an admirer. A very sweet old knife that looks new. ::nod::

Re: Check out this I*X L

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:35 pm
by LDF Knives
LDF Knives wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:47 pm This is an George Wosltenholm see the tang in front and on the back it says Sheffield England and around the Brass liner it's outside of the handle; and is this an Imitation Black onyx stone? (handle?) I bought this back in the Eighties still looks like it came right out of the factory. It looks pretty from my old set of eyes. Any one out there has something like this?
[/quote been having a hard time finding out what this material handle this is but a Black horn? or a black dyed bone?? need help on this to see what this knife really is ::shrug::

Re: Check out this I*X L

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:00 pm
by LDF Knives
LDF Knives wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:47 pm This is an George Wosltenholm see the tang in front and on the back it says Sheffield England and around the Brass liner it's outside of the handle; and is this an Imitation Black onyx stone? (handle?) I bought this back in the Eighties still looks like it came right out of the factory. It looks pretty from my old set of eyes. Any one out there has something like this?
It's been a year or so now Can anyone tell be to What kind of a handle on this??

Re: Check out this I*X L

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:27 am
by knife7knut
The knife looks like it was made in the 1970's or thereabouts. As to what the handle material is exactly;it almost looks like polished horn in a couple of the pictures.Did you give it a rub test to see if it is synthetic? If it is horn,you should be able to see dome fine lines parallel to the handle under a 10x loupe. If not then it may be some form of Bakelite like they used to use in electronic circuit boards.

Re: Check out this I*X L

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:55 am
by danno50
I am with Ray, polished buffalo horn was my first thought.

Re: Check out this I*X L

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:47 am
by orvet
I was in agreement with Ray and Doug until I enlarge the pictures and looked at the fit around the bolsters. It appears that that has shrunk back from the bolsters a little bit, especially on the pile side.
I have seen a similar type of plastic used on post-World War II, TL-29's that were made in Italy, if I recall correctly. The US government had some TL-29s made in Italy and France as an effort to help get their economy going after the war. Both examples I have were inferior to any US made TL-29 I have seen.

Look at it under a 10 or 15 power class and see if you can see the lines that Ray mentioned.
I know horn likes to return to its original shape, but that appears to be shrinking to my eye.

I think I have seen the same material on other George Wostenholm knives, but they had worn considerably more than that knife has. Do you know if that knife seen much pocket time? I don't see scratches on the finish that would indicated that and carried much at all.

If you can't see the find parallel lines Ray mentioned, it's my best guess that it is it is a pre-Delrin plastic that was used in Europe after World War II, probably in the 1950s. It is also possible that it could be Bakelite and just not carried and not scratched.

Re: Check out this I*X L

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:14 am
by LDF Knives
orvet wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:47 am I was in agreement with Ray and Doug until I enlarge the pictures and looked at the fit around the bolsters. It appears that that has shrunk back from the bolsters a little bit, especially on the pile side.
I have seen a similar type of plastic used on post-World War II, TL-29's that were made in Italy, if I recall correctly. The US government had some TL-29s made in Italy and France as an effort to help get their economy going after the war. Both examples I have were inferior to any US made TL-29 I have seen.

Look at it under a 10 or 15 power class and see if you can see the lines that Ray mentioned.
I know horn likes to return to its original shape, but that appears to be shrinking to my eye.

I think I have seen the same material on other George Wostenholm knives, but they had worn considerably more than that knife has. Do you know if that knife seen much pocket time? I don't see scratches on the finish that would indicated that and carried much at all.

If you can't see the find parallel lines Ray mentioned, it's my best guess that it is it is a pre-Delrin plastic that was used in Europe after World War II, probably in the 1950s. It is also possible that it could be Bakelite and just not carried and not scratched.
I have bought this in the 1980's, and never carried or used for that matter, I was wondering, why the liner is sticking out, and you may be right about the Bakelite, hard to say what material the handle is, but the blades has looked it came from the production line (hand made?) at the same time, has one seen that its from pre 70's or even earlier than that, It is a Fantastic knife!

Re: Check out this I*X L

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:48 pm
by danno50
I believe Dale is correct. I forgot I had this IXL. I believe it is the same handle material. However, has been carried and there are scratches in the handle material.

Re: Check out this I*X L

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:55 pm
by LDF Knives
danno50 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:48 pm I believe Dale is correct. I forgot I had this IXL. I believe it is the same handle material. However, has been carried and there are scratches in the handle material.
under the bake lite what is the handle? pre delrin or horn??

Re: Check out this I*X L

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:15 pm
by danno50
LDF Knives wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:55 pm
danno50 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:48 pm I believe Dale is correct. I forgot I had this IXL. I believe it is the same handle material. However, has been carried and there are scratches in the handle material.
under the bake lite what is the handle? pre delrin or horn??
The knife I posted is definitely not horn. However, I am not really sure what it is? A black composite material of some sort?

Re: Check out this I*X L

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:45 am
by Miller Bro's
The handles are modern black plastic.

Re: Check out this I*X L

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:27 am
by btrwtr
Miller Bro's wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:45 am The handles are modern black plastic.
Agreed.

Re: Check out this I*X L

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:27 am
by LDF Knives
Miller Bro's wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:45 am The handles are modern black plastic.
May I ask, what era could modern black plastic come out? and then Bakelite I've had this 30 years + T Y

Re: Check out this I*X L

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:24 pm
by LDF Knives
It is now for sale, see LDF Knives

Re: Check out this I*X L

Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:08 am
by Ridgegrass
Bakelite patented 1909. Don't know what "modern plastic" means. Too broad. Delrin , common in modern knife handles, was produced by DuPont around 1960. There are many related compounds. (Wikipedia) Hope that helps. J.O'.