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Post by cody6268 » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:21 pm

I went on the Dremel website to see if I really needed to spend the nearly $30 a diamond grit EZ LOCK cutting wheel is to cut through sheep horns (we use the head to trim horns when they seem like they are growing into the skull), and to see if the (much cheaper) reinforced wheels I typically use work. Seeing as the Dremel was the first power tool I was allowed to use; and thus own (my folks let me use hand tools when I was a kid; even owning my own set way before I was allowed power tools as a teen), I know I've done some stupid stuff with Dremels--including having a cutting wheel explode in my face--my lesson to A: always wear safety glasses B: never, ever use non-reinforced wheels).

Couldn't even get into the site without clicking "I agree" to a liability waiver that basically said "DON" T BE STUPID". In other words, take proper safety precautions, read the manual, don't use on live electrical wires, yadda, yadda, you get the deal.


What is it with people these days? They refuse to take responsibility for their own stupid behavior, instead trying to blame someone else. Thus, liability waivers are EVERYWHERE. You can't do anything without a ton of warning labels that have me wondering "What kind of idiot do you think I am; if I was, do you think I'd be operating this piece of equipment?!"

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Re: Liability

Post by Doc B » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:54 pm

Attorneys have increased the cost, of doing business...on almost everything ::facepalm::
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Re: Liability

Post by tongueriver » Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:20 am

I enjoyed a brief encounter between an edge grinder and my left index finger. That poor finger has had more encounters with sharp objects than 'Carter Has Pills' (that is an expression that most of you are too young to know about, sadly). Me stupid. No excuses. Do you remember the classic case where the idiot woman spilled coffee on her lap? Turns out that the coffee was indeed much hotter than it should have been, but, still..... Meanwhile, my brother rear-ended a car and made a dent in a fender about a millimeter in depth. The other car then bumped another one with similar results. She sued and sued and sued everyone from the local people sitting on the park bench at the time to all the drivers in a mile or two, and WON. Several thousand dollars. Turns out that she has been doing this for several years and picks up a few grand every time. Grrrr.... Things that make you want to make sure that you leave your piece at home and don't exercise your concealed carry permit. My rant.

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Re: Liability

Post by Mumbleypeg » Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:13 am

Your rant is justified Cal. We have far too many lawyers in this country. There is not enough legitimate work for all of them, so they create work. Too many of them talk people, who would not otherwise think of doing so, into filing often frivolous lawsuits. The lawyers take the case under the condition that if they don't win a settlement their client doesn't have to pay them. "Come on and sue, you (and I) might get rich. You've got nothing to lose (and I've got nothing else to do anyway)." The lawyer has nothing else to do anyway so why not file suit on the off chance they might win and get paid.

And when one lawyer gets hired to file suit it almost always results in another one being hired to defend the other party. An automatic two-fer! ::dang:: I can't think of any other profession where that happens.

We badly need tort reform. Some states are better than others. One political party fervently and reliably opposes tort reform, largely because of the political donations they receive from wealthy lawyers (the good ones make a LOT of money while the rest can't).

And then there's the class of people who have figured out how to exploit the situation, constantly looking for, or instigating, situations where they can sue someone.

And that's my rant!

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Post by orvet » Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:25 am

I am absolutely convinced that our country would be a much better place to live in and our politics would be far more honest if we banned the following three occupations from serving in government, except as noted.

1- Trial lawyers. There should be a bounty on trial lawyers to keep their numbers down like there was on coyotes when I was a kid. Coyotes at least have a purpose in life, to weed out the weak of the herd, clean up carrion and to keep some of the small rodents under control. Trial lawyer serve no such useful purpose.

2- Lawyers elected to any political office apart from a Judicial position such as judge or where they function as an officer of the Court. It seems when they serve in capacities other than these they take great delight in obfuscating the system. If you read a bill on your ballot written by a lawyer the chances are very good that unless you get someone, like another lawyer, to interpret the legalese you probably won't know what it says. You run the risk of voting for the thing you want to vote against!

3- The last occupation that should be banned from our nation are lobbyists. I don't care whether they're from our country or from another I think the entire occupation should be banned from any contact with our government officials. As a matter of fact, do they even use lobbyist in the private sector?


I'm not so naive to believe this would solve all of our problems, we have a couple more left, like what to do with all the extra money in the government coffers? Though I am confident that one of the parties would be able to dispose of any excess cash post haste.

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Re: Liability

Post by orvet » Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:27 am

I see Ken ranted faster than I did! :mrgreen:
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Re: Liability

Post by cudgee » Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:35 am

And me. :x :x :x

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Post by TwoFlowersLuggage » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:07 am

I once heard a story about about a bright young lawyer who, after getting his degree in civil tort law, moved back to his very small home town. He would be the very first civil lawyer to set-up shop in the town. He hung his shingle and expected the clients and money to start rolling in. For the next 3 years he sat in his small office. Occasionally, someone would go to see him, but in each case, after the first meeting, he would receive a phone call that the two parties had worked out their own deal and his services would not be needed. After 3 years of this, the young lawyer was frustrated & broke.

Then the lawyer had an idea. He called his old law school fraternity and told them about his struggles. The chapter president told him not worry, he had seen this many times before, and he knew exactly what to do. A week later, another lawyer from his fraternity drove into town. He set-up his practice directly across the street from the first lawyer's office.

Within 6 months, both lawyers had more clients than they can handle and within 2 years they were the wealthiest citizens in the town.

Moral of the story: It only takes one to know the law, but it takes two to argue about it...
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Post by btrwtr » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:45 am

As far as I'm concerned it's a crazy world we live in. Local TV, radio stations and billboards are full of advertising from ambulance chasing lawyers. In past and simpler times we had common sense to protect us from ourselves but common sense has been written out of the equation.

Years ago a friend's daughter was in a minor accident with a commercial truck. My friend contacted an attorney and the minor accident turned into a money grubbing fiasco. My friend's daughter had many visits to medical specialists, cat scans etc. all recommended by the attorney. One day in conversation with my friend about this I told him " the worse your daughter feels the better the attorney feels". I truly believed that then and still do.
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Re: Liability

Post by kootenay joe » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:42 am

"Whiplash" is a condition not known or recognized in Europe even though they experience struck from behind motor vehicle accidents. Here in North America whiplash is cited as the reason for much disability and many millions of dollars in payouts, physio visits, etc.
What this shows is if a person expects they will get symptoms, they do. Lots of lawyers advertising about getting you recompense for whiplash injury/disability creates the expectation of getting symptoms should you be rear ended while in your motor vehicle.
You can see the same thing with parent and small child: kid falls down and then looks around to see the parent but is not crying or fussing. Parent rushes over "oh my poor dear where does it hurt" and only then does child break out into tears & wailing. The child understands from parent's reaction that he should be in pain and so therefore experiences pain. If the parent just stands by and calmly says: hey buddy, good fall, can you do it again ? ", kid gets up, no tears and is fine and returns to play.
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Post by Mumbleypeg » Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:01 am

kootenay joe wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:42 am
"Whiplash" is a condition not known or recognized in Europe even though they experience struck from behind motor vehicle accidents. Here in North America whiplash is cited as the reason for much disability and many millions of dollars in payouts, physio visits, etc.
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If one travels to other countries it doesn’t take long to realize how the litigious nature of society in the U.S. has driven up costs and changed our lives. A few years ago I was employed as a consultant for over a year with a company located in the Netherlands. Here’s a couple of pictures of the building where I worked.

Anyone notice what’s missing that would be present in the U.S.?

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Post by TwoFlowersLuggage » Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:09 am

I know a guy that had a desk job working as a bean counter for the federal government. There was some sort of incident at work, and he fell. He claimed to have neck and back pain. He went on some sort of workers comp or disability and stayed on disability for many years. However, although he was on disability and was unable to work at his desk job, he was somehow able to run a business from his home doing bookkeeping & taxes for several small businesses and he would regularly go on fishing trips to Alaska and Mexico with his adult sons.

It really bothers me when someone abuses a system that is intended to try to help people that truly need help. There is always someone looking to milk the system and that ruins it for everyone.
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Re: Liability

Post by kootenay joe » Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:14 am

"Anyone notice what’s missing that would be present in the U.S.?"
My guess is a guard rail on the wood walkways that are over the water.
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Re: Liability

Post by Mumbleypeg » Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:24 am

kootenay joe wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:14 am
"Anyone notice what’s missing that would be present in the U.S.?"
My guess is a guard rail on the wood walkways that are over the water.
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Correct. Also on the other side of the lake next to the building is a sidewalk where the edge drops off directly to the water several feet deep. No guard rail there either. I asked one of the employees “what happens if someone falls into the lake?” The response was along the lines of “If you’re stupid enough to fall in, that’s your problem.”

There is also a walking path from the parking garage to the building, which crosses a creek running into the lake. On the path is a footbridge about 4 feet wide and 15 feet long which crosses the creek. No guardrails on it either.

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Re: Liability

Post by kootenay joe » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:02 am

Life is more fun when there are a few risks involved. We do not need every thing and every situation made as close to 100% safe as possible because it's boring. We have a nervous system that is ready for some challenges and that gives a sense of satisfaction when challenges are met and successfully dealt with.
Ever try walking on a sidewalk in Mexico ? full of challenges that keep you alert and focused, like missing sections with deep drop offs or the opposite, a sudden change to 2 feet higher up. In general we have made our city landscapes boringly safe at least in Canada. We have to go and run around with scissors to get some excitement. ::woot::
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