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Winterbottom Moose

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:10 pm
by OLDE CUTLER
I finally decided to stick my neck out and make a whole knife. Up to this time, I have made replacement blades, springs, bolsters, liners, and rehandled a lot. But never all the parts on the same knife. I recently did a rebuild on an old Jaeger Moose that I pictured in this thread. This turned out to be a dress rehearsal for the new knife. I have always like the Moose pattern, and have old ones such as a Wilbert and the Jaeger from the early 20th century, as well as a new GEC which I just got a few months ago. So a 4 1/4" Moose was decided on. The specs are as follows: blades and springs-1095 high carbon 1/8" thick (this is the same thickness blades as the Wilbert), brass liners, nickle silver bolsters 1/8" thick soldered to the bolsters. The blades are the Moose standard large spear, and large clip, both with double swedges and long pulls. I got an assortment of bone from Culpepper to try as I had never used their product before. It is some good stuff and reasonally priced too. This bone is called Ginger Ale Winterbottom. Anyway it has a lot of issues as you can see. There were a many things learned to apply to the next one, if that ever happens. Main thing learned---making a two blade slip joint folder is a lot of work, and I don't have nearly enough power equipment, so most all of it was done by hand. Now I know something of what the old craftsman who made knives 100 years ago mostly by hand were doing.

Template made for drilling the liners, and springs.
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Stack drilling the liners.
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Parts all cut out.
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First test assembly.
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Finished
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Top view
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Re: Winterbottom Moose

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:39 pm
by New_Windsor_NY
Very nice job OLDE CUTLER! Turned out quite nice. ::tu::

Re: Winterbottom Moose

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:43 pm
by Meridian_Mike
VERY nice....
I need to try one of those.
Beautiful work!!

::tu::

Re: Winterbottom Moose

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:55 pm
by XX Case XX
If that is your first attempt at making an entire knife by hand, then you are well on your way. You mentioned it has "issues". Well, I don't see any. That is a fantastic looking knife, and I'm sure it functions just as well. Wow!!! ::nod:: ::tu::

This has always been my pet peeve: Handle to Bolster fit. This right here is as good as it gets. ::tu:: Supersize the photo and you can see how tight that fit is. The edge of the handle is right up against the bolster.

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Mike

Re: Winterbottom Moose

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:09 pm
by edge213
Great job!

Re: Winterbottom Moose

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:51 pm
by OLDE CUTLER
XX Case XX wrote:If that is your first attempt at making an entire knife by hand, then you are well on your way. You mentioned it has "issues". Well, I don't see any. That is a fantastic looking knife, and I'm sure it functions just as well. Wow!!! ::nod:: ::tu::

This has always been my pet peeve: Handle to Bolster fit. This right here is as good as it gets. ::tu:: Supersize the photo and you can see how tight that fit is. The edge of the handle is right up against the bolster.

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Mike
If you had it in your hand, issues: #1 Pulls are very uneven. I have been cutting those with a Dremel tool with a thin cutoff wheel guided by a straight edge. I need to find a completely different way to do that. #2 Clip blade rubs on frame. I did not bend the liners as I should have to make the "blade well" more open at the top. #3 Both the blade edges touch the spring slightly over the pin boss when allowed to "snap" shut, leaving a blunt mark on the cutting edge. As I carry and use it, subsequent sharpenings will cure this by moving the cutting edge back away from the spring. #4 There is a tiny crack in the bone on one end, not thru the pin hole, but off to the side. May have been a tiny flaw in the bone I didn't see. #5 Back of the blade does not not line up with handle with blade open. I think I added too much to the back edge of the blank and didn't bring this down before assembly. #6 Obvious to all, the pins are visible. I hammered and hammered and hammered the pins after tapering the pinholes, and after finishing they are still visible. This is Jantz 1/8" thick nickle silver bolster material, and Jantz 3/32" nickle silver pin stock. Should be the same spec metals.

Re: Winterbottom Moose

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:07 pm
by Tony_Wood
OC, that looks great!!
You are your own worst critic. You know all of the issues, but they are not visible in the photos, and with a few months of pocket carry the patina will cover them.
I have had the same problem with Jantz nickel silver, not being able to hide the pin as it is a different color.

Fantastic job on your first knife.
What’s next?? ::tounge::

Re: Winterbottom Moose

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:45 pm
by Doc B
That's amazing OC!!! Did you do your own heat treat on the metals? Is the spring a different heat treat? ::tu:: ::tu:: ::tu:: ::tu::

Re: Winterbottom Moose

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:44 pm
by OLDE CUTLER
Doc B wrote:That's amazing OC!!! Did you do your own heat treat on the metals? Is the spring a different heat treat? ::tu:: ::tu:: ::tu:: ::tu::
Blades and springs are cut from the same piece of 1095 and I heat treated them with a MAPP gas torch the same.

Re: Winterbottom Moose

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:57 pm
by OLDE CUTLER
Tony_Wood wrote:OC, that looks great!!
You are your own worst critic. You know all of the issues, but they are not visible in the photos, and with a few months of pocket carry the patina will cover them.
I have had the same problem with Jantz nickel silver, not being able to hide the pin as it is a different color.

Fantastic job on your first knife.
What’s next?? ::tounge::
Working on a Valley Forge jack that needs a new blade made, and this Buck 301 that I am going to use the blades and springs to build a custom something. The Buck must have had some disaster befall it, as it is a mess. Liners and handle material are ruined.
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Re: Winterbottom Moose

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:04 am
by Byrd
That is superb! You sir are a true craftsman. I see hours of fitting and finishing in that knife and there isn't another like it in existence. You have my respect as an innovator.

Re: Winterbottom Moose

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:54 am
by glennbad
Love it! I have a ton of respect for you doing most of it by hand operations. Makes it that much more satisfying,

Re: Winterbottom Moose

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:32 am
by doglegg
OC what a fabulous job. Made from scratch. First one. What an impressive knife. Absolutely amazing!!! Wow am I impressed. Does not look like a first knife. ::nod:: ::nod:: ::tu:: ::tu::

Re: Winterbottom Moose

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:30 am
by treefarmer
Just plain amazing! ::tu:: That would be quite a handful. OLDE CUTLER offhand I'd say you've got talent! :)
Treefarmer

Re: Winterbottom Moose

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:37 am
by royal0014
I say an overall excellent job !
Absolutely love the solid bolsters, and those blades ... WOW !
Looks as beefy as a fixed blade(s).

::tu:: ::tu:: two thumbs up, easily . . ::nod::

Re: Winterbottom Moose

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:50 am
by just bob
That's the best looking bone that has been posted in a while. It suits that knife perfectly. Good job!

Re: Winterbottom Moose

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:50 am
by tinkerer
That's really nice looking!

Re: Winterbottom Moose

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:47 pm
by 1967redrider
That's a great looking USA made knife! ::tu:: ::tu::