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Sabre USA Monarch Knives

Post by dto1982 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:55 am

Hey Guys,

I've got all these new old stock Sabre USA knives and I'm wondering if someone could help me identify them. Are they Schrade Walden or Ulster models etc? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Sabre USA Monarch Knives

Post by ea42 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:51 am

Would you happen to have the model numbers on those?

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Re: Sabre USA Monarch Knives

Post by knifeaholic » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:48 pm

Eric can correct me if I'm wrong, but they look like knives made by Imperial Schrade Corp. using the Ulster patterns and tooling. Similar patterns to those in the Schrade Walden line, but the Ulsters were slightly lower grade (thinner blade stock, tumble polished blades) meant to sell at a lower price point.

I just picked up a Cole National MONARCH knife catalog from 1970. This particular catalog shows all Japanese made knives, it appears that the company in Japan closely copied the Ulster tooling in producing these Monarch knives for Cole National.

Evidently companies like Cole National would contract to various firms in the US and overseas, probably depending on who was more competitive. I'm guessing a lot of it had to do with changes in relative currency valuations.

I'll try to post some images from the catalog later.
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Re: Sabre USA Monarch Knives

Post by jerryd6818 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:40 pm

I have a small handful of Sabre's, a Monarch and a Sabre Monarch. All are stamped Japan save the Sabre Monarch which is stamped USA.
Saw a Sabre listed on eBay that is stamped Ireland. Does that make it Imperial?
Saw another one stamped Hong Kong.

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Re: Sabre USA Monarch Knives

Post by mrwatch » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:49 pm

The original Sabre brand knives were sold by KMART for $1.00 and up.

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Re: Sabre USA Monarch Knives

Post by dto1982 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:56 pm

ea42 wrote:Would you happen to have the model numbers on those?

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Yes, 223, 203, 207, 206, and 211.
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Re: Sabre USA Monarch Knives

Post by ea42 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:21 pm

dto1982 wrote:
ea42 wrote:Would you happen to have the model numbers on those?

Eric
Yes, 223, 203, 207, 206, and 211.20190612_184050.jpg
Excellent, those are all the Ulster brand knives, made in the '60's. The only one I'm not sure of is the 203, which knife is that?

223 - Ulster 82P
207 - Ulster 81
206 - Ulster 98 two blade
211 - This one I believe is the Schrade 293. Is it the trapper?

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Re: Sabre USA Monarch Knives

Post by knife7knut » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:52 pm

This one is marked Monarch 2212 Japan and I've had it since the early 1980's.It is very well made.
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Re: Sabre USA Monarch Knives

Post by dto1982 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:17 pm

ea42 wrote:
dto1982 wrote:
ea42 wrote:Would you happen to have the model numbers on those?

Eric
Yes, 223, 203, 207, 206, and 211.20190612_184050.jpg
Excellent, those are all the Ulster brand knives, made in the '60's. The only one I'm not sure of is the 203, which knife is that?

223 - Ulster 82P
207 - Ulster 81
206 - Ulster 98 two blade
211 - This one I believe is the Schrade 293. Is it the trapper?

Eric
Sorry, I misread that one. Says 208 it's the little peanut pattern.

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Re: Sabre USA Monarch Knives

Post by dto1982 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:18 pm

dto1982 wrote:
ea42 wrote:
dto1982 wrote:
Yes, 223, 203, 207, 206, and 211.20190612_184050.jpg
Excellent, those are all the Ulster brand knives, made in the '60's. The only one I'm not sure of is the 203, which knife is that?

223 - Ulster 82P
207 - Ulster 81
206 - Ulster 98 two blade
211 - This one I believe is the Schrade 293. Is it the trapper?

Eric
Sorry, I misread that one. Says 208 it's the little peanut pattern.
Yes the 211 is the trapper.

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Re: Sabre USA Monarch Knives

Post by dto1982 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:19 pm

ea42 wrote:
dto1982 wrote:
ea42 wrote:Would you happen to have the model numbers on those?

Eric
Yes, 223, 203, 207, 206, and 211.20190612_184050.jpg
Excellent, those are all the Ulster brand knives, made in the '60's. The only one I'm not sure of is the 203, which knife is that?

223 - Ulster 82P
207 - Ulster 81
206 - Ulster 98 two blade
211 - This one I believe is the Schrade 293. Is it the trapper?

Eric
Yes the 211 is the trapper.

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Re: Sabre USA Monarch Knives

Post by ea42 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:14 pm

OK, then the 211 is definitely the Schrade 293. The 208 would be the Ulster 183. That's quite an assortment, did you find an old salesman's stash? :shock: :wink:

The Monarch knives made by Ulster/Schrade were generally three digit model numbers beginning with the number 2. Most of the Japanese ones (they were post-Ulster/Schrade) had 4 digit numbers, or three digits starting with numbers other than 2.

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Re: Sabre USA Monarch Knives

Post by dto1982 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:33 am

ea42 wrote:OK, then the 211 is definitely the Schrade 293. The 208 would be the Ulster 183. That's quite an assortment, did you find an old salesman's stash? :shock: :wink:

The Monarch knives made by Ulster/Schrade were generally three digit model numbers beginning with the number 2. Most of the Japanese ones (they were post-Ulster/Schrade) had 4 digit numbers, or three digits starting with numbers other than 2.

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I bought a bunch of Knives from an Estate and all these were included as well as several NOS kutmaster knives.

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