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KA-BAR OLEAN, NY Stamp Question

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:03 pm
by Tip
Hello All,

I'm a new member; please pardon my long-winded post.

I came across a nice, vintage-looking, bone stag handled, jack knife in a local Army-Navy surplus store. The knife seemed out of place among the plastic handled, "Made In China" lock-backs and other assorted junk. It bore the KA-BAR and Olean NY markings on the tang of the main blade.
Here's my question:
Are there recently-made, non-vintage Ka-Bar pocket knives marked Olean, NY? Or, is a two blade folder, thus marked, worth getting excited about?
After a couple visits and bouts of indecision, I finally went back and bought the knife. It was marked $50 and the woman who owns the store said she was having a going-out-of-business sale, so she said I could have it for $25! (Even if it were a non-collectible, I figured I could live with that).
I had looked at it a time or two in the past year or so, but the $50 price tag seemed high considering I didn't need another "carry" knife. After she rang up the sale, she recalled an "old man" had brought the knife in some time before.
THAT sounded promising...
I brought it home and checked my knife guide book. Page 415 of "The Official Price Guide, Collector Knives, Tenth Edition" by C. Houston Price says:
The "Union Razor Company...by 1921 was in full operation at the Olean facilty" and then, "Union was soon making an extensive line of pocketknives bearing such stampings as 'Olcut,' 'Keenwell,' and another trademark that was popular on their large folding patterns, 'KA-BAR'."
Now, here's where the story picks up steam. The guide continues in the next paragraph on page 415,
"In 1951 the corporate name was changed to KA-BAR Cutlery Company, Inc., and the tang stamping was changed from KA-BAR to Kabar." (Mine is stamped KA-BAR).
Of further interest, and possibly even more significant, on page 416 it says,
"Although a few early knives were made with iron liners, most Ka-bars will be found with brass liners..." (Mine has, what appear to be, "iron" liners).
Am I jumping to the wrong conclusion? Would this not describe an early KA-BAR jack knife?
Thanks for your responses.
-Tip

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:18 pm
by jonet143
welcome tip. need a pic of the entire knife and tang to help for sure. however ka-bar has been in almost constant use til this day in some way. queen has made quite a few with that marking.

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:57 pm
by Tip
Okay.

Here it is.

Is this, in your opinion, authentic?

Thanks!

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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:01 am
by Savage1
That was $25.00 well spent.
Would love to see photos of it.
And Kabar [in any spelling] is still in Olean, north of Rte 17/86.

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:12 am
by jonet143
looks real to me. any other marks on tangs? what is closed length? could be queen produced in the eighties. $25 well spent dollars! ::tu::

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:35 am
by Tip
Thanks for the responses.

No, I'm afraid there are no other markings.

It measures 3 3/4" closed.

What would make it a Queen-made KA-BAR, please? Honestly, this isn't saying much, but I had never heard of a Queen-to-Kabar connection.

(Also, the metal "looks" old, if that makes sense.)

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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:02 am
by Mossdancer
My two cents for what its worth. I suspect your knife is before 1952.
The blades appear to have been so heavily buffed its hard to discern much. The way the pen seats says a bit of age may be there. The bolster looks similiar to some bolsters on that age KA-BAR. Queen may have made for Cole National. Im probably wrong but I don't think they did before that. If it ever appears to be lonely I would be happy to place it between a swing guard hunter and a dandy toothpick for some company.
moss

Edit: sorry. meant to say the shadow bolster could possibly be suspect.

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:21 am
by knifeaholic
Definitely an authentic WW-II era KA-BAR knife...a nice one with green bone handles. Good find!!

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:43 am
by Tip
Thanks guys, for all the excellent input, opinions, and knowledge.

As they say, even a blind pig finds an ear of corn once in a while! I guess two days ago was my day.

I'll be hangin' around!

Best regards, Tip

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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:45 am
by Tip
I almost forgot: the blades are factory sharp and the blades have good "snap."

-Cheers