Lake and Walker Question

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Lake and Walker Question

Postby cody6268 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:58 pm

I saw a Lake and Walker with "Special Edition" on the blade. Was this the version with the BG-42 steel blade? And, is $25 a fair price for that?

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Re: Lake and Walker Question

Postby tongueriver » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:34 am

I am not an expert but I see red flags here. Good pictures might help. I think only the first 1000 knives had BG42 steel. They did NOT say U.S.A. on the tang. They DID have a tiny serial number. The blade was NOT serrated.The first 500 were mated with a D'Holder designed fixed blade with matching serial numbers and a plastic display, along with some other bling. After these 1000 knives, there was a different version with a partially serrated blade, which did not have BG42 steel. I know nothing about them. And THEN.... I think there was what I call a knockoff. Someone else here definitely knows more about this than I do, but maybe this will get you started.

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Re: Lake and Walker Question

Postby tongueriver » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:43 am

Some pics of one of the first 500. The following 500 also were serialized and had the fancy steel. No other L&Ws had BG42 to my knowledge.
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Re: Lake and Walker Question

Postby cody6268 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:07 am

This was the listing photo.


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Re: Lake and Walker Question

Postby kootenay joe » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:00 pm

There is a China Lake & Walker that looks identical. Either way $25 for that knife is an o.k. deal if the knife functions properly.
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Re: Lake and Walker Question

Postby tongueriver » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:07 pm

kootenay joe wrote:There is a China Lake & Walker that looks identical. Either way $25 for that knife is an o.k. deal if the knife functions properly.
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The original post knife, to be sold by "Vern's", has a U.S.A. stamp on it. It is clearly not BG42 steel and not from the first 1000, but I think it is one of the genuine second version types, made in the U.S.A.

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Re: Lake and Walker Question

Postby kootenay joe » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:33 pm

" has a U.S.A. stamp on it."
So $25 is a good deal for the buyer if there are no 'issues'.
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Re: Lake and Walker Question

Postby orvet » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:07 pm

The Schrade Lake and Walker first appeared in the Schrade catalogs in 1999.
These two flyers were also put out about that time with information about the series.
Perhaps they will help add perspective to the discussion. I do have one of the standard issue Lake & Walker, but I do not have the First Production Run with the BG-42 steel.

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cody6268 wrote:I saw a Lake and Walker with "Special Edition" on the blade. Was this the version with the BG-42 steel blade? And, is $25 a fair price for that?


I think the special edition was in SFO for Vern's, who or whatever that is. Definitely not one of the BG-42 versions of the Lake & Walker but with no functional or severe cosmetic issues, worth the $25. If you ever have a knife that has BG-42 steel offered to you for $25, as long as it is legitimately BG-42 steel I would recommend grabbing it! I had a Buck 110 from the Buck custom shop that had BG-42 steel and it and it was scary, scary sharp! BG stands for Bearing Grade, so it is a very high quality steel capable of Rockwell C hardness of 61 – 62.
A number of years ago, before Chuck Buck passed away, I was telling him about the 110 from the custom shop with the BG-42 steel. He said that, "That is a good one, we can't even get BG-42 it anymore. I wish we could still get it."

Here is a bit more information on the BG-42 steel from a online:
"BG 42 steel is A proprietary alloy of Timken Latrobe Steel, BG 42 is a high-performance, bearing-grade martensitic stainless steel used in the aerospace industry. Because of its high strength and ability to reach high Rockwell hardness (Rc 61-62), BG 42 steel is well suited for blades that are subjected to extreBG 42 steel is A proprietary alloy of Timken Latrobe Steel, BG 42 is a high-performance, bearing-grade martensitic stainless steel used in the aerospace industry. Because of its high strength and ability to reach high Rockwell hardness (Rc 61-62), BG 42 steel is well suited for blades that are subjected to extreme use."
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Re: Lake and Walker Question

Postby kootenay joe » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:47 am

Dale i think those flyers are both for the second version with Schrade+ steel.
I think the BG 42 version came with plain edge only, no serrated version. Correct ?
And, do all of the BG 42 have a serial number ? If not how can one ID the BG 42 ones ?
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Re: Lake and Walker Question

Postby tongueriver » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:47 pm

The first version, non-serrated, BG42, had serial numbers. No other BG42 knives exist as far as I know, so the serial # is key. 1000 units. The first 500 of these came in a set with a Schrade D'Holder fixed blade and sheath, pouches, papers and a plastic display stand. The next 500 were sold by themselves, and I do not know the packaging. Then the second version was sold, with serrated blade and NON BG42 steel. I have no idea on any aspect of them beyond the flyers shown above by Orvet.

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Re: Lake and Walker Question

Postby kootenay joe » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:33 pm

Thank you Calvin. Finally an explanation so clear that even i now understand. Only 1 further question: did the second version (Schrade+ steel) come with a plain edge as well as the serrated edge ?
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Re: Lake and Walker Question

Postby tongueriver » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:39 pm

kootenay joe wrote: did the second version (Schrade+ steel) come with a plain edge as well as the serrated edge ?
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Now that is one that I do not know. I have not seen one.

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Re: Lake and Walker Question

Postby kootenay joe » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:52 pm

Whoops, the answer is above: the lower of the 2 flyer images shows a plain edge knife and picture is marked "SLW2". So, yes the second version with Schrade+ steel did come with a plain edge as well as the serrated edge.
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