Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?

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Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?

Postby Simeone » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:35 pm

Hi all,
First post here, I just recently started getting into traditional's and wanted to get an older S&M. I saw this on ebay and bought it. I never even thought about vintage counterfeit slipjoints till i saw these threads and got myself worried. What do you guys think of this?
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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?

Postby SteelMyHeart85420 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:12 am

I'm no Schatt & Morgan expert, but, I'd say original. Handle material is shrinking, in my mind it needs to be re-scaled, several skilled folks here could help you out, if you choose that route.
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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?

Postby doglegg » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:16 am

No expert here either. It is a nice looking knife and welcome to AAPK. ::nod:: ::nod::

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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?

Postby OLDE CUTLER » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:20 am

Welcome to AAPK. ::welcome:: ::welcome:: Nice looking knife.
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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?

Postby edge213 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:02 am

I say legit. They are shrunken a little, but I love the handles.
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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?

Postby jerryd6818 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:12 am

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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?

Postby Simeone » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:26 am

Thank you for the welcome guys,

Good eye i did not notice that, however i have another S&M that is also all caps, i just checked it, all four blades are stamped all caps too. I would definitely like some other people to way in on this.
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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?

Postby TwoFlowersLuggage » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:37 am

Didn't Queen use that stamp (with the all caps "TITUSVILLE") on some of their S&M knives?

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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?

Postby Simeone » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:50 am

TwoFlowersLuggage wrote:Didn't Queen use that stamp (with the all caps "TITUSVILLE") on some of their S&M knives?

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(not my knife - I pulled this pic off ebay)

yes they did but there would be a stamp on the other side as far as i know. Usually "DFC" for Daniel Family Cutlery

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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?

Postby peanut740 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:38 am

They didn't put DFC on them until after 2012.
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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?

Postby Brumbydownunder » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:10 am

@Simeone Tang stamps should only ever be used as a guide and not 100% Gospel on a knife's authenticity - Tang Stamps get changed up all the time for special runs etc. From your pictures I would say the knife started out as Genuine & it's modern not pre 1932 ...but it appears to be re-handled as none of the pins are spun (Domed) and the shield is (???) The pile side may never have been stamped or could have been cleaned off when it was re-handled. There was a Heritage series that used that shield .... but .......

This is a Genuine S&M ... same tang stamp as yours - note the shield - most (not all) S&M of the modern era have this shield.
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The other side of that Blade
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And the pen blade that is only marked on one side
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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?

Postby Simeone » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:35 am

Brumbydownunder wrote:@Simeone Tang stamps should only ever be used as a guide and not 100% Gospel on a knife's authenticity - Tang Stamps get changed up all the time for special runs etc. From your pictures I would say the knife started out as Genuine & it's modern not pre 1932 ...but it appears to be re-handled as none of the pins are spun (Domed) and the shield is (???) The pile side may never have been stamped or could have been cleaned off when it was re-handled. There was a Heritage series that used that shield .... but .......

This is a Genuine S&M ... same tang stamp as yours - note the shield - most (not all) S&M of the modern era have this shield.
DSCN7948.JPG

The other side of that Blade
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And the pen blade that is only marked on one side
DSCN7952.JPG

Absolutely my knife is genuine as it was gifted to me by one K. Ryan Daniels

Derek


Why did you write it off as not pre 32? Because most of the old S&M's i have seen have flat pins, and this shield is on half the knives in there old catalog from back then.

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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?

Postby Billswfl » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:24 pm

Here are two pictures from Jim Sargents 6th Edition page 314 which shows a knife similar to the op's.
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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?

Postby RalphAlsip » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:40 pm

I don't collect Shatt & Morgan as a brand so I won't be able to answer any Schatt & Morgan questions, but I happen to have a couple of examples in patterns that I collect in case pictures might be helpful.
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Re: Schatt and Morgan, did I get burnt?

Postby msteele6 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:33 pm

Authentic. Pre-WWII.

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