Page 1 of 1
Any information appreciated
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:50 pm
by BWT
B.Brammar&Sons Radford St. I was hoping someone has a Sheffield book that would have this maker listed. It's not in Goins or Levines. I was wondering what year it was made. Thanks for your help in advance.
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:55 pm
by FRJ
That's a grand old knife, Bill. How long is it?
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:12 pm
by XX Case XX
This is all I could find. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Halfway down the left hand side in yellow.
https://books.google.com/books?id=tPJZA ... ry&f=false
_________
Mike
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:30 pm
by LongBlade
Nice old knife Bill
... Great looking stag and rat tail bolster!!! I would ask if the liners and bolster are integrated (one piece) out of interest which helps abit but I am not sure rope knives were made pre-1860 - I don't know the answer as to when this pattern came into the market - for sure later 1800s-early 1900s... I can't get my copy of Tweedale at the moment (this broken ankle is frustrating
) - but if my wife or son are able I will ask them to hand it to me and will check for you on the history of Brammar & Sons
..
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:49 pm
by stockman
Nice Knife!!
Harold
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:33 pm
by BWT
Thanks Harold, Mike, Lee and Joe. It's 4 1/2 inches. I looked at the liners Lee,hadn't even noticed but they are definitely different, maybe one piece?
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:58 pm
by Tony_Wood
That stag is gnarly!!
Great piece!!
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:13 pm
by BWT
Thanks Tony
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:43 pm
by LongBlade
Bill - I enlarged the photos - the liners and bolsters are not integrated - if you look closely you will see a demarcation between the bolster and liner on your knife... I am attaching an photo of an integrated liner and bolster from an old Wostenholm IXL Hawkbill and an early Waterville as examples...
Believe me it was just a question of interest to me and doesn't take away from the beauty of your knife - in general integrated liners and bolsters made in Sheffield do suggest pre-1860 according to Levines guide but I have seen a few Sheffield knives from certain old makers continue it after 1860 for a short time... I have seen very few old American makers knives with integrated liners and bolsters except for a very early Waterville Boys Knife in my collection (stamped Waterbury) that I believe was from the 1840s based on early stamp - the interesting part is that Waterville was all emigrated Sheffield cutlers including the owner - this is the only example I have seen of an early pre-1860 American knife with integrated liners and bolsters but most likely due to the Sheffield influence on the production
- I am also attaching a photo of the Waterville knife and integrated liners and bolster...
Hope you don't mind Bill and honestly not stealing the thread my friend but this is a good place given the question of integrated liners & bolsters and a few examples to see -
Wostenholm IXL example of integrated liners and bolsters:
Waterville example of integrated liners and bolsters:
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:03 pm
by BWT
Not at all Lee, that's what I like about AAPK the information you get here. I always appreciate the response. Thanks again. I have a knife from Edinburgh I will post later, have to go get a pizza now. The maker is Mackie, Edinburgh, that's all it reads on the tang,maybe you will have information on it?
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:03 pm
by BWT
Not at all Lee, that's what I like about AAPK the information you get here. I always appreciate the response. Thanks again. I have a knife from Edinburgh I will post later, have to go get a pizza now. The maker is Mackie, Edinburgh, that's all it reads on the tang,maybe you will have information on it?
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:21 pm
by LongBlade
I will no doubt look for info on both those makers as soon as I get my Tweedale for info in my hands
... Look forward to seeing photos of the Mackie knife along with maker stamp
Interestingly given that you note Mackie as Edinburgh that suggests a Scottish maker - interesting
...
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:44 pm
by gsmith7158
BWT I wouldn't give a durn about what anybody thought about that knife . That is one for the ages.
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:17 pm
by BWT
Thanks Greg,I would imagine most people here on knife lore should like it.
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:31 pm
by BWT
LongBlade wrote:Bill - I enlarged the photos - the liners and bolsters are not integrated - if you look closely you will see a demarcation between the bolster and liner on your knife... I am attaching an photo of an integrated liner and bolster from an old Wostenholm IXL Hawkbill and an early Waterville as examples...
Believe me it was just a question of interest to me and doesn't take away from the beauty of your knife - in general integrated liners and bolsters made in Sheffield do suggest pre-1860 according to Levines guide but I have seen a few Sheffield knives from certain old makers continue it after 1860 for a short time... I have seen very few old American makers knives with integrated liners and bolsters except for a very early Waterville Boys Knife in my collection (stamped Waterbury) that I believe was from the 1840s based on early stamp - the interesting part is that Waterville was all emigrated Sheffield cutlers including the owner - this is the only example I have seen of an early pre-1860 American knife with integrated liners and bolsters but most likely due to the Sheffield influence on the production
- I am also attaching a photo of the Waterville knife and integrated liners and bolster...
Hope you don't mind Bill and honestly not stealing the thread my friend but this is a good place given the question of integrated liners & bolsters and a few examples to see -
Wostenholm IXL example of integrated liners and bolsters:
Integral Liner-Bolster 1 DSCN7435.JPG
Waterville example of integrated liners and bolsters:
2 - Waterville Mfg Co Waterbury Blade Open DSCN3083.JPG
2b - Integrated Liner and Bolster DSCN3124.JPG
I always appreciate and welcome any advice, information,thanks Lee. Here's the Mackie lockback.
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:34 pm
by BWT
Three I missed.
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:16 am
by BWT
Lee those last three photos were a mistake, that's one I've been aiming to post on the Lambsfoot thread
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:22 am
by gsmith7158
My goodness what a fabulous knife detractors be damned.
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:10 am
by LongBlade
BWT wrote:Lee those last three photos were a mistake, that's one I've been aiming to post on the Lambsfoot thread
Gotcha Bill - nice Lambs Foot though
More on that in Lambs Foot thread
..
The Mackie Edinburgh knife is a beauty
... I like everything about it - pattern - lock back too, stag is gorgeous and nice fancy bolster
... A nice HOK for sure... Mackie Edinburgh was in Goins but nothing else noted other than it was a stamp that existed...
Brammer & Sons is not in Goins - I'll look at Tweedale tomorrow (my help to get that book is not available at the moment
- I will see what I find hopefully tomorrow in Tweedale (not sure if Mackie will be in Tweedale given it is a Sheffield historical directory and it may be a Scottish maker but will see
)...
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:08 pm
by LongBlade
BWT wrote:LongBlade wrote:Bill - I enlarged the photos - the liners and bolsters are not integrated - if you look closely you will see a demarcation between the bolster and liner on your knife... I am attaching an photo of an integrated liner and bolster from an old Wostenholm IXL Hawkbill and an early Waterville as examples...
Believe me it was just a question of interest to me and doesn't take away from the beauty of your knife - in general integrated liners and bolsters made in Sheffield do suggest pre-1860 according to Levines guide but I have seen a few Sheffield knives from certain old makers continue it after 1860 for a short time... I have seen very few old American makers knives with integrated liners and bolsters except for a very early Waterville Boys Knife in my collection (stamped Waterbury) that I believe was from the 1840s based on early stamp - the interesting part is that Waterville was all emigrated Sheffield cutlers including the owner - this is the only example I have seen of an early pre-1860 American knife with integrated liners and bolsters but most likely due to the Sheffield influence on the production
- I am also attaching a photo of the Waterville knife and integrated liners and bolster...
Hope you don't mind Bill and honestly not stealing the thread my friend but this is a good place given the question of integrated liners & bolsters and a few examples to see -
Wostenholm IXL example of integrated liners and bolsters:
Integral Liner-Bolster 1 DSCN7435.JPG
Waterville example of integrated liners and bolsters:
2 - Waterville Mfg Co Waterbury Blade Open DSCN3083.JPG
2b - Integrated Liner and Bolster DSCN3124.JPG
I always appreciate and welcome any advice, information,thanks Lee. Here's the Mackie lockback.
Ok Bill now that I checked Tweedale
- Brammar and Son dates from 1854-1884 - old Sheffield maker for sure
.. interesting that it was an early rope knife - I’m not sure when that pattern came into being but I think they are most associated with the use by the Navy - be it the British or US Navy... I know the well known American rope knives were sssociated with the Mexican War in late 1800s and WWI...
Mackie Edinburgh as I suspected was not in Tweedale which confirms it was a Scottish cutler from Edinburgh - that is cool!!!!!
... looks like a nice old knife!!! Unique too in origin
...
Re: Any information appreciated
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:26 pm
by BWT
Thanks Lee for the help, I'm going to have to purchase that book. I hope someone brought it to you, instead of you taking a chance with your leg by getting it yourself.