Bone-handled gunstock jack - Lion Cutlery co.

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Bone-handled gunstock jack - Lion Cutlery co.

Postby mopbucket » Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:14 am

Picked this up at a flea market for cheap; I can’t seem to find any legitimate information on it. Anybody have any ideas? How old is it, company history, value?
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Re: Bone-handled gunstock jack - Lion Cutlery co.

Postby mopbucket » Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:21 am

Perhaps it’s from 1903-1929? Found a reference listing it’s tang stamp in a google document.
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Re: Bone-handled gunstock jack - Lion Cutlery co.

Postby philco » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:13 am

mopbucket wrote:Perhaps it’s from 1903-1929? Found a reference listing it’s tang stamp in a google document.



I think you may be on to something. In Goin's Encyclopedia of Cutlery Markings there is a listing for LION WORKS SHEFFIELD. The only additional info on that listing is "A German made knife". Could be related although I certainly can't say so definitively.
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Re: Bone-handled gunstock jack - Lion Cutlery co.

Postby mopbucket » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:35 am

philco wrote:
mopbucket wrote:Perhaps it’s from 1903-1929? Found a reference listing it’s tang stamp in a google document.



I think you may be on to something. In Goin's Encyclopedia of Cutlery Markings there is a listing for LION WORKS SHEFFIELD. The only additional info on that listing is "A German made knife". Could be related although I certainly can't say so definitively.


It does say Germany on the tang ::hmm::
Love this thing tho, it’s got a great snap. Almost jumps outta the hand! Haha.

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Re: Bone-handled gunstock jack - Lion Cutlery co.

Postby peanut740 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:35 pm

Likely rehandled,the bone is poorly fitted to the bolster and you don`t see old knives with smooth undyed bone.
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Re: Bone-handled gunstock jack - Lion Cutlery co.

Postby mopbucket » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:20 pm

peanut740 wrote:Likely rehandled,the bone is poorly fitted to the bolster and you don`t see old knives with smooth undyed bone.


I can certainly see how this is possible

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Re: Bone-handled gunstock jack - Lion Cutlery co.

Postby XX Case XX » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:30 pm

peanut740 wrote:Likely rehandled,the bone is poorly fitted to the bolster and you don`t see old knives with smooth undyed bone.

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Re: Bone-handled gunstock jack - Lion Cutlery co.

Postby kootenay joe » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:41 pm

I have an old German EO jack with smooth off-white bone handles similarly fitted as O.P. knife.
Re-working vintage German knives is something i have not seen. Prices of original examples are lower than similar vintage British or USA knives, so 'profit' would be very low.
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Edit: just took these pics. handle looks like ivory but experts have said "Bone !" Looking at it again, maybe it was re-handled ? Certainly never had a buff.
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Re: Bone-handled gunstock jack - Lion Cutlery co.

Postby knife7knut » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:21 pm

Lion Cutlery Co. in Germany was a mark used by Vom Cleff. Usually the lion mark will be on the pile side of the tang and Vom Cleff on the mark side.
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Re: Bone-handled gunstock jack - Lion Cutlery co.

Postby peanut740 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:08 pm

kootenay joe wrote:I have an old German EO jack with smooth off-white bone handles similarly fitted as O.P. knife.
Re-working vintage German knives is something i have not seen. Prices of original examples are lower than similar vintage British or USA knives, so 'profit' would be very low.
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Edit: just took these pics. handle looks like ivory but experts have said "Bone !" Looking at it again, maybe it was re-handled ? Certainly never had a buff.

Roland,your knife looks like Ivory to me.I see no pores.
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Re: Bone-handled gunstock jack - Lion Cutlery co.

Postby kootenay joe » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:29 pm

k7k, different lion. You are thinking of Lutters Cut. Co. whose trademark is the 'Reclining Lion' and they made high end knives for Vom Cleff. No relation to O.P. knife.
Roger i agree, looks like ivory but the collector i bought it from said 'no, it's polished bone'. I posted it in BRL forum at BF years ago and experts again said "bone".
So handles are bone, or maybe ivory :?
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Re: Bone-handled gunstock jack - Lion Cutlery co.

Postby Sharpnshinyknives » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:44 pm

kootenay joe wrote:k7k, different lion. You are thinking of Lutters Cut. Co. whose trademark is the 'Reclining Lion' and they made high end knives for Vom Cleff. No relation to O.P. knife.
Roger i agree, looks like ivory but the collector i bought it from said 'no, it's polished bone'. I posted it in BRL forum at BF years ago and experts again said "bone".
So handles are bone, or maybe ivory :?
kj


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Re: Bone-handled gunstock jack - Lion Cutlery co.

Postby kootenay joe » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:01 pm

Thanks SSk, but it is not much of a collectible knife: "Garland Cutlery" = importer, manufacturer unknown other than being German; unsure of handle material; unsure if handles are original or replacement.
I see this knife as 'interesting' and suitable for sharpening and occasional EDC'ing.
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Re: Bone-handled gunstock jack - Lion Cutlery co.

Postby knife7knut » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:43 pm

kootenay joe wrote:k7k, different lion. You are thinking of Lutters Cut. Co. whose trademark is the 'Reclining Lion' and they made high end knives for Vom Cleff. No relation to O.P. knife.
Roger i agree, looks like ivory but the collector i bought it from said 'no, it's polished bone'. I posted it in BRL forum at BF years ago and experts again said "bone".
So handles are bone, or maybe ivory :?
kj

Roland:Is this the stamp you are referring to?
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Re: Bone-handled gunstock jack - Lion Cutlery co.

Postby kootenay joe » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:08 am

Yes to the reclining lion but i have never seen it with "Lion Cutlery", only with "Lutters" a well known Solingen cutlery manufacturer. I will be back at knife home in a few days and then will check in Anthony Carter's book for mention of "Lion Cutlery" in description of Lutters.
My apology for stating you were mistaken. Have you seen other knives with the same markings ?
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