Fakin' the Tested--oughta be arrested!

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Fakin' the Tested--oughta be arrested!

Postby Robo » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:09 pm

I knew this wasn't an 093 pattern from the Tested era but it took closely examining the tang stamp to solve the mystery of what knife this dog used for his dastardly deed.You have to look close...PS: I borrowed the legit re-issue 80s era KA-Bar in the picture from Ebay.
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Re: Fakin' the Tested--oughta be arrested!

Postby Tony_Wood » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:36 pm

Aside from the fakery, the scale fit on the pile side is atrocious.

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Re: Fakin' the Tested--oughta be arrested!

Postby 313 Mike » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:17 pm

Great thread title! :lol:
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Re: Fakin' the Tested--oughta be arrested!

Postby Mumbleypeg » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:54 am

Don't need to look at the stamp to know that one is fake!

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Re: Fakin' the Tested--oughta be arrested!

Postby Robo » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:44 am

Thanks gents! I sent a heads-up to the seller who thanked me and pulled the knife right away. A word to new members: Often the seller is completely unaware that they're selling a parts knife, counterfeit, or anything in-between. So a friendly heads-up and they'll thank you and pull it. Then there's guys like the guy listing the Toothpick a couple threads back under "An insult to the Tested 093 Pattern" who is still attempting to sell it--and is getting bids--despite the fact that he mentions "some people have written to me saying this knife is a fake..". And still others who know exactly what they're selling and-- taking advantage of Ebay's passivity in the face of counterfeits-- manage to do it again and again. We soldier on none-the-less.

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Re: Fakin' the Tested--oughta be arrested!

Postby bighomer » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:26 pm

He's relisted as a ka- bar made to look like a case. It's plain ugly whatever it is imho ymmv. ::td::

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Re: Fakin' the Tested--oughta be arrested!

Postby Tsar Bomba » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:45 pm

::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm::

IMNSHO that "relisting" should be one of the types of listings banned by ebay and other major online auctioneers. The "across the room" fakes are one thing - a proper collector can usually spot the (and, of course, did rather easily here).

So why should the guy be allowed to relist it as a KNOWN FAKE? :roll:

If someone tried this nonsense with US currency (say, a fake shield nickel or Morgan dollar), the US Secret Service could arrest that person for counterfeiting! ::huff::

But, as always, the only relevant thing for fleabay is the $$$. :x

(I co-sign on the praise for the thread title, too. ::tu:: )
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Re: Fakin' the Tested--oughta be arrested!

Postby bighomer » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:40 pm

I agree Tony but that's the world we live in. What's really criminal is bin price for this piece of shirt. Wow. ::woot::

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Re: Fakin' the Tested--oughta be arrested!

Postby Tsar Bomba » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:50 pm

I found the relisting.

There oughta be a law... ::disgust::

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Re: Fakin' the Tested--oughta be arrested!

Postby Mumbleypeg » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:10 pm

Robo wrote:Thanks gents! I sent a heads-up to the seller who thanked me and pulled the knife right away. A word to new members: Often the seller is completely unaware that they're selling a parts knife, counterfeit, or anything in-between. So a friendly heads-up and they'll thank you and pull it. Then there's guys like the guy listing the Toothpick a couple threads back under "An insult to the Tested 093 Pattern" who is still attempting to sell it--and is getting bids--despite the fact that he mentions "some people have written to me saying this knife is a fake..". And still others who know exactly what they're selling and-- taking advantage of Ebay's passivity in the face of counterfeits-- manage to do it again and again. We soldier on none-the-less.


I agree with your assessment of the types of sellers. Many of those I've notified have removed the listing, re-worded it or added a note saying they have been advised the knife is counterfeit.

But I can recall only one seller who removed the listing and did not re-list the knife as a counterfeit ("clone" seems to be a popular term among sellers - I guess they think that makes a fake more legitimate). ::facepalm:: In that situation I sent the message to the seller but received no response. The next day I posted the knife here in the "Counterfeit Watch" thread.

A few days later I received a response from the seller, saying the listing was being removed, and taking me to task for posting it on AAPK before hearing back from him. Said I was trying to "ruin his reputation" and should gave waited until I heard back from him before posting anything on AAPK. The seller did have several thousand feedbacks with a 100% rating. To his credit I never saw that knife again, at least not listed by him.

All the others I have contacted who responded thanking me either altered their listing or re-listed with a disclaimer about the knife's authenticity. Most are trying to be honest, but bottom line is they're in it for the money. We all know a dishonest seller will buy the knife and subsequently list it as authentic, whereas a true collector would take the fake out of circulation and destroy it, or deface it so it cannot be represented as authentic in the future.

And then there are the sellers who responded "mind your own business". One (auntpearl12) had the audacity to reply "Not my knife. Don't know nothing about it". When I responded "It's your listing" he sent the same again. "Not my knife. Don't know nothing about it." ::dang::

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Re: Fakin' the Tested--oughta be arrested!

Postby Robo » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:29 am

But, as always, the only relevant thing for fleabay is the $$$.


Yeah, I believe a lot of sellers just see it as the American way to --re-brand!--accentuate the positive! Close the deal! they aren't collectors so they have no guiding principles other than "sell it!". If the blade is broken off at the nail mark, talk about what great "Walk and talk" it has, that sort of thing. Or I notice they'll work the flaw into the same sentence as positive part of the description like "Beautiful red bone handles with cracks near the pins" which I guess you'd call de-accentuating the negative. So saying "Ka-Bar knife made to look like an old Case Tested" kinda makes what we consider a level two form of counterfeiting sound almost like a pretty darn neat feature of this knife. But, yeah, it probably wouldn't fly in a court of law to say "No your honor I was just trying to make some paper look like Twenty Dollar bills!"

Thank the spirit of Old Man Case, most of the time the knives that comes out of those little white boxes floor me with the mystery they imbue; with their simple beauty and complex craftsmanship; they're not lies but unquestionable pieces of truth--and made 75 years ago by guys who thought they were making tools to cut rope or dress deer!


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