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Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:01 pm
by Meridian_Mike
Good morning all.....
I cleaned up this Boker I got last week.
I just love the scales on this guy. They strike be as beautiful and unusual.
Maybe y'all have seen these scales before.
Personally, I am so used to seeing Bokers with the brown scales so this one is really turning my crank.
Anyway... look at the pattern of layering. This doesn't look like bone to me.
SO... what do y'all think the material could be?
Sorry for the poor pics....
Here is a close-up.......
Mike

Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:22 pm
by just bob
Pretty sure that's horn. Look at switchblades they have the same material. I've never seen that on a Boker before, but that doesn't mean much.
Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:53 pm
by Meridian_Mike
10-4... I recon I need to take a closer look at horn and study it's characteristics.. I'm sure you could be right.
I guess this piece of horn started out life as white or something and then they dyed it yellow and red. The colors are just fantastic in my eyes.
Thanks for that input.
Mike

Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:30 pm
by akarangerbluedog
Mike that is a beauty. It looks to me like a celluloid handle that Boker called “NU-HORN”.
I’ve seen them in yellow and brown like yours, and also yellow and red.
IIRC, they used that material from the 1920s up til the 1950s.
Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:35 pm
by Meridian_Mike
akarangerbluedog wrote:Mike that is a beauty. It looks to me like a celluloid handle that Boker called “NU-HORN”.
I’ve seen them in yellow and brown like yours, and also yellow and red.
IIRC, they used that material from the 1920s up til the 1950s.
I see.... the colors and the grain just looked great to me. I wondered if this was a Boker specific scale material.
Thanks for that input.
Mike

Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:38 pm
by akarangerbluedog
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=45303&p=458801&hili ... rn#p458801
This thread has pics of some more with that handle material
Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:51 pm
by Meridian_Mike
Yes!!
Thanks for that link!
I love the looks of those handles!!
Mike

Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:35 pm
by sunknife
I can't guess what those scales are with my very limited knowledge but I agree they are attractive.

I really like the pattern and the knife as well, great find Mike.
Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:36 pm
by Redlegger
I have what looks like the same knife made by Boker for John Primble. Has the Primble blades.
Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:56 pm
by Meridian_Mike
Redlegger wrote:I have what looks like the same knife made by Boker for John Primble. Has the Primble blades.
Well, Captain Red Legs Terrell....
don't tease us like that... let's see it.
Seriously... got a pic?
Mike

Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:22 pm
by Meridian_Mike
Oh crap..... I went out there to the bay..... and I found another one.
This one is now on the way to come see me.
More Nu Horn on the way.
(seller's pics)
Mike

Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:39 pm
by rangerbluedog
Mike we have similar tastes.
Here are two more of mine.
Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:35 am
by btrwtr
Handles are what I'd generically call butter and molasses celluloid. Lots of variations and many companies used it. Older forms of it have waterfall stripes that will show movement just like waterfall celluloid will.
Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:51 am
by Meridian_Mike
WOW.... those are a couple of REAL BEAUTIES!!
Something about the contrast between the red and yellow is SO appealing to me.
If you have more of these... I would LOVE to see 'em.
Mike
Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:58 am
by Meridian_Mike
btrwtr wrote:Handles are what I'd generically call butter and molasses celluloid. Lots of variations and many companies used it. Older forms of it have waterfall stripes that will show movement just like waterfall celluloid will.
I don't dispute you at all here Wayne. BUT... I have seen others call a pattern butter and molasses and to me, the colors are not as vibrant as this. The butter is yellow and the molasses is on the brownish side. But, again, that is just my take. AND I could sure be wrong. Maybe butter and molasses is a pattern (?).
The contrast between these 2 colors will knock your eye out. (You gotta be careful when you look at it.... LOL)
The red in these scales could be strawberry syrup I guess....... (Makes me want to go to IHOP....)
Mike

Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:23 pm
by btrwtr
Meridian_Mike wrote:btrwtr wrote:Handles are what I'd generically call butter and molasses celluloid. Lots of variations and many companies used it. Older forms of it have waterfall stripes that will show movement just like waterfall celluloid will.
I don't dispute you at all here Wayne. BUT... I have seen others call a pattern butter and molasses and to me, the colors are not as vibrant as this. The butter is yellow and the molasses is on the brownish side. But, again, that is just my take. AND I could sure be wrong. Maybe butter and molasses is a pattern (?).
The contrast between these 2 colors will knock your eye out. (You gotta be careful when you look at it.... LOL)
The red in these scales could be strawberry syrup I guess....... (Makes me want to go to IHOP....)
Mike

No dispute. That is why I said generically with lots of variations. A lot to like about them.
Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:27 pm
by Meridian_Mike
btrwtr wrote: A lot to like about them.
Sho' nuff!

Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:58 pm
by rangerbluedog
Here are a couple more. The sailor in the first pic is my Father in law.
Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:27 am
by rangerbluedog
Here's a link to a short blog article I wrote about Boker's use of Celluloid and Pyralin in their pocketknife handles.
https://rickyray1830.wixsite.com/thebok ... e-material
Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:58 am
by Tsar Bomba
Very informative blog post and excellent site, Blue!

Looking forward to the completed work. It's good that someone is focusing on Boker. It seems they often get short shrift when it comes to historical treatments of cutlers even though their influence on both sides of the Atlantic is completely undeniable.
Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:59 am
by Meridian_Mike
rangerbluedog wrote:Here are a couple more. The sailor in the first pic is my Father in law.
MAN.... I just LOVE looking at those handles!!
OH..... BY THE WAY...... is that a Hamilton 992 pocket watch?
Here is one that I just got off the bay last night.
(Not brand new looking but it's OK)
I like!!
Mike

Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:24 pm
by Meridian_Mike
Tsar Bomba wrote:Very informative blog post and excellent site, Blue!

Looking forward to the completed work. It's good that someone is focusing on Boker. It seems they often get short shrift when it comes to historical treatments of cutlers even though their influence on both sides of the Atlantic is completely undeniable.
I'll second that!
Good read on the blog!
Thanks!!
Mike

Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:44 pm
by rangerbluedog
Thanks Guys.
Mike you are pretty close on the Hamilton watch. It is actually a 974, made in 1919. It belonged to my stepfather, who gave it to me in the early 1990s. He passed away in 1995.
Considering that last knife you posted is almost 100 years old now, it looks pretty darn good!!!

Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:08 pm
by Meridian_Mike
rangerbluedog wrote:
Mike you are pretty close on the Hamilton watch. It is actually a 974, made in 1919. It belonged to my stepfather, who gave it to me in the early 1990s. He passed away in 1995.
Considering that last knife you posted is almost 100 years old now, it looks pretty darn good!!!

Thanks Blue.... I have been specifically looking for those scales lately. I stumbled over that one while cruising the bay. Nobody bid on it so I just put in the minimum bid...... GOT IT!!
I have a Hamilton GR 956 with an interesting past. I picked it up at the antique store. As the story went.... the grandson of the P.O. was cleaning out his Grand Dad's house after he died. This watch was in a box of "junk" so he brought it in and sold it to the store.
ANYWAY... the interesting part..... EVEN THO' somebody tried to scratch off the name of the Soldier who owned the watch, it can still be seen on the back of the case.
"James E. Hancock..... Mindanao P.I. 1945"
Mike

Re: Unusual Boker scales?
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:32 pm
by rangerbluedog
Now that right there is a TREASURE.
