Keen Kutter Question

Ask knife related questions here. Please answer some if you are an experienced collector!
User avatar
Paladin
Bronze Tier
Bronze Tier
Posts: 7610
Joined: Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:20 am
Location: Near Austin, Texas, between a Rock and a Weird Place

Keen Kutter Question

Postby Paladin » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:46 pm

In listing some knives for a friend I came across this Keen Kutter and I am suspicious that it is not real. First, doesn't the tang stamp look like a cold stamp? Second, the stamp on the sheepfoot blade is on the pile side of the tang. The liner is widely separated from the backspring and the handles have cracked from top to bottom as a result. Looks too new to be a Keen Kutter.
I don't recall ever seeing a Keen Kutter of this poor quality.
As always, any thoughts or ideas are appreciated,
Ray
Attachments
1-IMG_2004.JPG
1-IMG_2005.JPG
1-IMG_2006.JPG
1-IMG_2007.JPG
1-IMG_2012.JPG
Paladin

God Bless the USA
Please visit my store SWEETWATER KNIVES
"Buy more ammo" - Johnnie Fain
"I'm glad I ain't scared to be lazy." Augustus McCrae

User avatar
peanut740
Gold Tier
Gold Tier
Posts: 3695
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:32 pm
Location: Ohio, along the river
Contact:

Re: Keen Kutter Question

Postby peanut740 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:03 pm

I agree Ray it doesn't pass the smell test for an E.C. Simmons. Blades look stainless also and no swedges.
Roger

Gunsil
Posts: 454
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:25 pm
Location: Lower Hudson River valley, N.Y.

Re: Keen Kutter Question

Postby Gunsil » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:02 am

Keen Kutter name sold to Shapleigh circa 1940 and used by them until 1960. Val-Test got the name in 1960 and used it until 1965. Frost got the name in 1991 and maybe still uses it, but we know frost quality so it is likely the one here is a Frost product.

User avatar
glennbad
Gold Tier
Gold Tier
Posts: 4339
Joined: Mon May 15, 2006 11:13 am
Location: NH

Re: Keen Kutter Question

Postby glennbad » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:13 pm

Whatever it is, it looks to have been heavily cleaned. Look at the threading on the bolsters, not crisp at all. I think some tried to tighten the gap at the center pin and ended up cracking the bone.

Also, most of the old KK I have seen have worn stamps from use.

User avatar
TwoFlowersLuggage
Bronze Tier
Bronze Tier
Posts: 1431
Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:18 pm
Location: Stuck in traffic on a highway in Southern California

Re: Keen Kutter Question

Postby TwoFlowersLuggage » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:17 pm

Didn't a lot (most?) of the Keen Kutters also have "Keen Kutter" blade etching? If so, then you can't have it both ways - if the blade is new without wear, then it should have clear etching. If the blade is worn, then the etching can be worn off. I don't know much about Keen Kutters, but if Frost is involved in the Keen Kutter history, then all bets are off...
"The Luggage had a straightforward way of dealing with things between it and its intended destination: it ignored them." -Terry Pratchett

buddyie22
Posts: 119
Joined: Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:14 am
Location: Central Florida

Re: Keen Kutter Question

Postby buddyie22 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:30 pm

Need edumacated. What is a cold stamp,and what other stamps are there,and what is the difference between stamps?
Honey do you have your pocket knife ? Do I have my pants on?

User avatar
Mumbleypeg
Gold Tier
Gold Tier
Posts: 4124
Joined: Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:28 am
Location: Republic of Texas

Re: Keen Kutter Question

Postby Mumbleypeg » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:13 pm

buddyie22 wrote:Need edumacated. What is a cold stamp,and what other stamps are there,and what is the difference between stamps?

A cold stamp is done by clamping the blade in a fixture and apply in the stamp while the metal is cold. The resulting marking will generally have some metal extruded (slightly raised area) around the letters or markings. This is caused by the metal not being heated when the stamp was applied, hence the name "cold" stamp. Some counterfeiters will file or buff to try to remove the extruded area. Also, on a cold stamp the stamp's color will appear uniform, like the OP knife example. A normal legitimate stamp typically appears black inside the stamp. Some counterfeiters will apply paint inside the letters in an attempt to make the marks look black. Which of course wears off with time.

As for differences between stamps, you can go to the tang stamps section here and look at the various Keen Kutter examples. You could also find examples by doing a search for Keen Kutter to see the knives on AAPK.

Ken
Edit: sorry, looks like ther aren't any Keen Kutter examples in the tang stamps section. Should have looked before I jumped out there! ::facepalm:: I'll see what I can find, and post them.
Member AKTI, TSRA, NRA.

"Man has nothing that the animals have not at least a vestige of, the animals have nothing that the man does not in some degree share."
- Ernest Thompson Seton
https://www.akti.org/

User avatar
KnifeSlinger#81
Silver Tier
Silver Tier
Posts: 2316
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:50 pm
Location: Tulsa, OK
Contact:

Re: Keen Kutter Question

Postby KnifeSlinger#81 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:44 pm

Here's a legitimate KK stamp for example. Sorry not the best pictures. Thanks for the info on stamps Ken.

IMG_3670.JPG

IMG_3669.JPG
-Paul T.

Looking for camillus knives
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=58068

I am always looking for GEC 81 stockmans and a GEC 33 whittler.

User avatar
peanut740
Gold Tier
Gold Tier
Posts: 3695
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:32 pm
Location: Ohio, along the river
Contact:

Re: Keen Kutter Question

Postby peanut740 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:54 pm

Paul's stamp is a later stamp.The older ones had EC Simmons over Keen Kutter. I have not heard of a Frost association with KK,but Bear does.
Roger

User avatar
Paladin
Bronze Tier
Bronze Tier
Posts: 7610
Joined: Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:20 am
Location: Near Austin, Texas, between a Rock and a Weird Place

Re: Keen Kutter Question

Postby Paladin » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:23 pm

Thanks for all the comments and info. I appreciate the input.

Ray
Paladin

God Bless the USA
Please visit my store SWEETWATER KNIVES
"Buy more ammo" - Johnnie Fain
"I'm glad I ain't scared to be lazy." Augustus McCrae

NAllen731
Posts: 62
Joined: Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:08 pm
Contact:

Re: Keen Kutter Question

Postby NAllen731 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:42 pm


User avatar
Paladin
Bronze Tier
Bronze Tier
Posts: 7610
Joined: Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:20 am
Location: Near Austin, Texas, between a Rock and a Weird Place

Re: Keen Kutter Question

Postby Paladin » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:58 pm


A good site. Thanks - Ray
Paladin

God Bless the USA
Please visit my store SWEETWATER KNIVES
"Buy more ammo" - Johnnie Fain
"I'm glad I ain't scared to be lazy." Augustus McCrae


Return to “Knife Related Q&A”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: danno50 and 27 guests