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knives made of Damascus steel

Postby Sut Tatersaul » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:54 pm

I can't find information about knives, that are made of Damascus steel. Can anyone tell me why? Have I asked about it the wrong way? Help?

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Re: knives made of Damascus steel

Postby Mumbleypeg » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:27 pm

Here's some info. http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/98 ... -9809.html. As to why it was used, makers of weaponry have throughout time sought out better materials. And then there's always "because they could". :lol:

I'm no expert, but from what I've read no one has been successfully able to reproduce the properties found in original Damascus steel. What is advertised today as "Damascus" steel is a reproduction of the layered look, aesthetically like the original, but not having the same other properties such as strength and flexibility. It seems generally accepted that modern steels have surpassed Damascus steel for most purposes, but some still want the unique Damascus steel look.

That's my take on it anyway. You can read the info and decide for yourself what you think. There are other sources on the Internet as well.

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Re: knives made of Damascus steel

Postby Steve Warden » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:30 pm

I asked a similar question a while back.
Click on the link ---> https://allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_ ... us#p519857

jerryd had an excellent link about 7 posts down from my link above.
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Re: knives made of Damascus steel

Postby Bastler » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:45 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but damascus could be made of various modern alloys so one damascus could be quite different from another. The question might be too general to answer easily.

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Re: knives made of Damascus steel

Postby mrwatch » Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:15 pm

some are layered over a steel core. I have posted pictures of a couple of mine too the fixed blade section. some are great and many are likely a chemical etching on poorly made imported knives. some great Japanese kitchen knives but not inexpensive and need extra care to prevent rusting. many low end ones and affordable better grade ones from Pakistan.

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Re: knives made of Damascus steel

Postby gwelker62 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:19 pm

Mumbleypeg wrote:I'm no expert, but from what I've read no one has been successfully able to reproduce the properties found in original Damascus steel. What is advertised today as "Damascus" steel is a reproduction of the layered look, aesthetically like the original, but not having the same other properties such as strength and flexibility. It seems generally accepted that modern steels have surpassed Damascus steel for most purposes, but some still want the unique Damascus steel look.
That's been my take on it also. Nobody makes true Damascus anymore, only the look of Damascus.

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Re: knives made of Damascus steel

Postby ken98k » Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:49 pm

gwelker62 wrote:
That's been my take on it also. Nobody makes true Damascus anymore, only the look of Damascus.[/quote]
Is not Damascus steel layered steel that has been forge welded together? Do you mean steel that's actually made in Damascus Syria?
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Re: knives made of Damascus steel

Postby gwelker62 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:22 pm

ken98k wrote:Is not Damascus steel layered steel that has been forge welded together? Do you mean steel that's actually made in Damascus Syria?


I'm referring to the original Damascus steel, or AKA Wootz steel. Of which has not be replicated since.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel

The original method of producing Damascus steel is not known. Modern attempts to duplicate the metal have not been entirely successful due to differences in raw materials and manufacturing techniques.

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Re: knives made of Damascus steel

Postby Sut Tatersaul » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:24 pm

Mumbleypeg wrote:Here's some info. http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/98 ... -9809.html. As to why it was used, makers of weaponry have throughout time sought out better materials. And then there's always "because they could". :lol:

I'm no expert, but from what I've read no one has been successfully able to reproduce the properties found in original Damascus steel. What is advertised today as "Damascus" steel is a reproduction of the layered look, aesthetically like the original, but not having the same other properties such as strength and flexibility. It seems generally accepted that modern steels have surpassed Damascus steel for most purposes, but some still want the unique Damascus steel look.

That's my take on it anyway. You can read the info and decide for yourself what you think. There are other sources on the Internet as well.

Ken


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Please overlook my poorly worded question concerning Damascus steel knives. I only wanted to find out if there had been discussions about Damascus steel held on this forum in the past. My question was answered, by this forum, that there were 0. references. I now find that to be wrong, and there was a thread about it, with many people commenting on it. exactly what I wanted to start with. Your Reference, "http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/lom/9809/Verhoeven-9809.html." is a wealth of information, and I am enjoying it also. I don't think that any of us in today's knife collecting community, would want an original Damascus steel knife, or sword, to do actual work with. Most of us would be concerned with our modern versions of it, mostly for it's pleasing looks. That's the purpose, of what we are here for, to discuss things, and sometimes " Poke a Little Fun" at each other. Thanks.

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Re: knives made of Damascus steel

Postby treefarmer » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:29 pm

Look up "Alabama Damascus Steel and Cutlery" on the web.
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Re: knives made of Damascus steel

Postby royal0014 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:21 pm

I think the term 'damascus' has became a relative word for most any type of layered or layered-looking steel.

Kinda like calling all facial tissue 'Kleenex' or all adhesive bandages 'Band-aids' .. ... ..
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Re: knives made of Damascus steel

Postby knife7knut » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:04 pm

Here are a couple of knives I own that are made of Damascus steel.
First one is a custom folder made by Jason Williams of Wyoming Rhode Island.This was Jason's 14th knife made when he was 19 years old. His stepfather Bill McHenry is also an accomplished knife maker. Together they conceived the Axis Lock that Benchmade uses on many of their knives.
I believe the Damascus used here is Jerry Rados damascus and is used on the bolsters as well. Lots of inlay and engraving and filework. The nice feature is a small detent on the back of the thumb stud that acts as a resistance to the blade opening when in the closed position. Although it may not look used I have used it once to scrape gasket material from a cylinder head when I was replacing intake manifold gaskets on my car. Worked nice and didn't harm the knife one bit.
Second is a survival knife made by Parker Edwards(Fain Edwards Damascus).Not sure how the edge would hold up as it has never been used.
Third is a closeup of a massive modern bowie by Colt that looks to be chunks of cable welded together.Not sure where it was made;likely in India or Pakistan.
Last is a Persian jambiya that dates to the 17th century complete with carved ivory handle; gold inlays;wood sheath covered in what looks like lizard skin and a small companion dagger also of Damascus.The layering in this blade is fine beyond belief.
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Re: knives made of Damascus steel

Postby Sut Tatersaul » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:49 pm

Hi, All:
The reason that I asked the members of this forum for information, about knives that were made of "Damascus Steel"in my post that started this thread, was because AAPK, when asked, listed no references to the subject. "0" was their reply. I now find that there were, in fact, many others. It seems that I've opened a controversial " Can of Worms" that contains, about as many controversies, that it contains worms. This is just great, as it provides me with a wealth of opinions, and answers on a subject that I'm really interested in. Until yesterday, I only owned one small folding knife, that has a "Damascus Steel" blade. I wanted, and bought, my first fixed blade Dagger, made of "Damascus Steel". It was delivered yesterday, by USPS. Here are pictures of them.

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Re: knives made of Damascus steel

Postby ken98k » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:06 am

The dagger looks nice but I'm pretty sure the small folder is acid etched to look like Damascus.
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Re: knives made of Damascus steel

Postby Steve Warden » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:29 pm

ken98k wrote:The dagger looks nice but I'm pretty sure the small folder is acid etched to look like Damascus.

I've heard that if you like at the knife's spine it will tell you if it is etched or not.
Etched will have a smooth-to-the-look spine, while on one of Damascus you'll be able to see the layers of steel.
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