Pin thru bolster on EOD Schrade

Schrade Cutlery Company was founded in 1904 by George Schrade, and his brothers Jacob and William Schrade. In 1946 Imperial Knife Associated Companies, (IKAC; an association of Ulster Knife Co and Imperial Knife Co) purchased controlling interest in Schrade Cut Co and changed the name to Schrade Walden Cutlery. In 1973 the name was changed to Schrade Cutlery. In 2004 Schrade closed due to bankruptcy.

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Pin thru bolster on EOD Schrade

Postby gwelker62 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:01 pm

I've seen a hand full of these unfinished Uncle Henry's and Old Timers come up for sale on feebay. I am making the assumption they are part of the inventory liquidation at the close of business of 2004. The curious part is, they appear to have pin through bolster design as apposed to a swinden key. Did Schrade abandon the swinden key in their latter years? Or am I missing something here?
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Re: Pin thru bolster on EOD Schrade

Postby Case V42 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:35 pm

I have a Schrade stockman Model number SWA834Y in the Schrade plastic tube package. The knife has a "SCHRADE" shield, but obvious steel pins. The card included in the packaging reads, "...Ellenville, NY factory closed in 2004. Production of these knives was moved to Camillus, New York. Used Under License from Taylor Cutlery, LLC." So, Camillus built some Schrades for Taylor after Schrade, but before Camillus closed.

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Re: Pin thru bolster on EOD Schrade

Postby Mustanger » Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:49 pm

That looks like something that somebody put together in their garage. The pins have waffle marks on them like they were driven in with a hammer. :lol:

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Re: Pin thru bolster on EOD Schrade

Postby gwelker62 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:16 pm

Case V42 wrote:I have a Schrade stockman Model number SWA834Y in the Schrade plastic tube package. The knife has a "SCHRADE" shield, but obvious steel pins. The card included in the packaging reads, "...Ellenville, NY factory closed in 2004. Production of these knives was moved to Camillus, New York. Used Under License from Taylor Cutlery, LLC." So, Camillus built some Schrades for Taylor after Schrade, but before Camillus closed.


That definitely explains things then.

Mustanger wrote:That looks like something that somebody put together in their garage. The pins have waffle marks on them like they were driven in with a hammer. :lol:


Me thinks that's how they were made. Whether compressed or hammered, I've seen unfinished Camillus knives look the same way.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Camillus-New-Y ... 1129232016
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Re: Pin thru bolster on EOD Schrade

Postby KnifeSlinger#81 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:39 pm

Mustanger wrote:That looks like something that somebody put together in their garage. The pins have waffle marks on them like they were driven in with a hammer. :lol:


Yes I would bet that it did not come out of the schrade factory as we see it now. The secondary blades look strange to me, they appear to have a different profile than schrade blades do on all the 4” stockmans. They look much more narrow, they may not be schrade blades at all.
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Re: Pin thru bolster on EOD Schrade

Postby Shearer » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:05 pm

Over a few post on the closing of the Camillus factory there has been a few posts with unfinished knives with the same pins.
In different topics it was shown that Camillus did make blades for Schrade.
Also Camillus made some knives for Taylor with the different Schrade tang stamps.

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Re: Pin thru bolster on EOD Schrade

Postby tongueriver » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:48 pm

Camillus made some folding knives for Schrade in the common patterns even BEFORE the bankruptcy. And so did Imperial, as far as that goes. It was all under one ownership, anyway.
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Re: Pin thru bolster on EOD Schrade

Postby KleenCut61 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:55 am

I Scored These Three Not Ten Minutes From Ellenville , This Year , Similar Pattern On Bolsters , un Finished . ::nod:: KC Though a Different Pattern , A last ditch effort none the less ::shrug::
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Re: Pin thru bolster on EOD Schrade

Postby orvet » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:23 am

I believe the 8OT in the OP was probably put together at Camillus or somewhere else because that knife is made with through pin construction, not Swinden.
The 5UHs posted by KleenCut have a through pin at the front bolster, this is normal construction for the 5UH in the 5OTs, this is the way Schrade made them at their factory. Swinden construction does not make sense for most lockbacks, although there is a partial Swinden construction on some of the liner locks like the 55UH and some of the other liner lock patterns. IMHO the Swinden system probably is more cost-effective on multi-bladed knives. The LB series is another series that does not use the Swinden system and the hidden bolster pin.

Over the years Camillus made a lot of parts for Schrade knives and even complete knives. One example that comes to mind is the 886UH with the S.C.C.+/USA 886 UH tang stamp. I have such a knife in my collection it has visible pins in the bolsters and no pins in the handles but if you open the blades and look inside the pocket you will see it is made with post construction. This is a method Camillus used on their knives of attaching Delrin handles using a protrusion (post) of Delrin that fit inside predrilled holes in the outer liner and the handle was secured to the liner by melting the post off flush with the liner. It is a very secure method of attaching handles that Camillus used a great deal. I have never seen that type handle come loose on a knife. It is a method that is pretty unique to Camillus although it may have possibly been used by other knife makers, though I am presently unaware of any who use that method.
Another complete knife we know made by Camillus for Schrade with the 898UH, also with the S.C.C.+ tang stamp.


The waffle marks seen on the ends of the pins are caused from the presses that they used to set the pins and the waffle marks help to spread the head of the pin to give a secure fit in the tapered pin holes. I believe the 5OT in the original post was probably made in the Camillus factory and the 5UHs posted by KleenCut were probably done at the Schrade factory. The only readily accessible example of waffle pins I have from the Schrade factory are this LB1 posted below.

These are Camillus knives with the waffle markings on the unground pins.

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The since his LB1 that is unfinished and still has waffle marks on a couple of the pins.

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Re: Pin thru bolster on EOD Schrade

Postby gwelker62 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:54 am

Thanks for that info Dale. But... that presents a problem for me. Now I 'need' to add one of those 8OTs to my collection. ::doh::

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Re: Pin thru bolster on EOD Schrade

Postby orvet » Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:13 pm

gwelker62 wrote:Thanks for that info Dale. But... that presents a problem for me. Now I 'need' to add one of those 8OTs to my collection. ::doh::


And that my friend is the beauty and the frustration of collecting Schrades, there is always ONE more variant to look for.
This keeps the hobby from becoming boring! :mrgreen:
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Postby KleenCut61 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:17 pm

Thanks Also Dale ,And Since You did Post the Pic's :lol: What in Gawds Name is That Camillus with 3 ( ?) Blades at the Top Of Photo ? may I ask . And Are there any Pics of it finished , or a Proto of sorts . Really Cool piece .. :shock: Thanks KC

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Re: Pin thru bolster on EOD Schrade

Postby orvet » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:56 pm

KleenCut61 wrote:Thanks Also Dale ,And Since You did Post the Pic's :lol: What in Gawds Name is That Camillus with 3 ( ?) Blades at the Top Of Photo ? may I ask . And Are there any Pics of it finished , or a Proto of sorts . Really Cool piece .. :shock: Thanks KC



That is a Camillus model #893, part of the Promaster series. You can find it on page 4 of the 1994 Camillus catalog. The blades are 3 ½ inches and include a clip blade, a bone saw and a blunt nose skinner blade. They have a black Kraton handles that fits over the frame and it’s a nice grippy material. The knife is 5 inches closed. I had one a few years ago that I sold and they don’t go cheap. I think it went for $75. The unfinished 893 in my pictures is missing two critical components, (apart from the cover), the springs and the lock bars for the bone saw and the skinner blade. Someday I may be able to put that all together and make a nice handle for it.
The one drawback I saw to the entire Promaster series was that the narrower blades, have narrower lock releases on the rear of the frame and they can be difficult, even painful when trying to release the locked blade to fold it. If you get one that works just perfectly they are excellent!

Here is the link to the 1994 Camillus catalog on the Collectors-of-Camillus website: http://www.collectors-of-camillus.us/Ca ... -CAT4s.pdf
Scroll down to page 4 and you will see the #893 in the middle of the page.

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Re: Pin thru bolster on EOD Schrade

Postby KleenCut61 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:04 am

Thanks Dale , For The Link , And explanation , Apart from The Frame You have , That's the first Look I Had of that model , You just cant judge a Knife By Its Covers , These Days :lol: An a Scarce One To Boot ! looks solid as a rock to me , Reminds me Of the Time I Got My First Collectable Camillus , I Found a # 26 Staglon , 60's era , With The Melted Tabs ( Yes ) , I was Showing my sister whom I hadn't seen in years , and Said , Dang where was I When these were Made , She said Being Born :lol: :lol: , I Need To Hunt Down A 707Y Now ,, Know Of Any Dale ? Good Chatting With You < Take Care sir : ::tu::

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Re: Pin thru bolster on EOD Schrade

Postby gwelker62 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:30 am

Well since we are now on the topic of Camillus made Schrades... I have a SC505 made by Camillus, but it doesn't appear to have pin thru bolsters. I also have a 886UH and 898UH, and it's obvious they are pin thru. Is it possible Camillus made some Schrades with the Swinden key?
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